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Old Sat Sep 14, 2024, 08:40pm
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Team A is it Rotation 2. They sub out the opposite (who is / was CF). New Player A11 enters the game but proceeds to walk way to the left side of the court, where she would be past the LF (illegal alignment)

Do you:
a) let her go and then call the fault when the ball is served?
b) tell her to stay to the right of the LF?
c) ask the coach is they need a lineup check?

I did B. The opposing coach got all over me for helping them out. Just wondering if I have been overstepping here.
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Old Sun Sep 15, 2024, 03:23pm
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Team A is it Rotation 2. They sub out the opposite (who is / was CF). New Player A11 enters the game but proceeds to walk way to the left side of the court, where she would be past the LF (illegal alignment)

Do you:
a) let her go and then call the fault when the ball is served?
b) tell her to stay to the right of the LF?
c) ask the coach is they need a lineup check?

I did B. The opposing coach got all over me for helping them out. Just wondering if I have been overstepping here.
I think what you did is fine. Just tell the coach you'd do the same for his/her player in the same situation.
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Old Sun Sep 15, 2024, 03:47pm
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Thanks He didn't seem to think his team would need the help.

And, I had just (a few points earlier) called an illegal alignment on the other team, so he knows I'm not always going to help them.
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Old Mon Sep 16, 2024, 12:23pm
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I often use option B. However, one of my mentors says that I shouldn't move players myself. Even when checking the lineups before the start of the set, he says I should not put players in positions to match the sheet. He prefers to go the coach and say something like, "Coach, it looks like your middles might be switched?" And then let him/her make the adjustment.

In your situation, I might say "Coach, is 11 supposed to be center front?"
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I often use option B. However, one of my mentors says that I shouldn't move players myself. Even when checking the lineups before the start of the set, he says I should not put players in positions to match the sheet. He prefers to go the coach and say something like, "Coach, it looks like your middles might be switched?" And then let him/her make the adjustment.

In your situation, I might say "Coach, is 11 supposed to be center front?"
I line them up according to the sheet. Every time.
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Old Mon Sep 16, 2024, 07:26pm
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I line them up according to the sheet. Every time.
I'm going to make sure they're lined up correctly, too. But I'm going to let the coach give the orders.
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Old Tue Sep 17, 2024, 10:58am
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Thanks He didn't seem to think his team would need the help.

And, I had just (a few points earlier) called an illegal alignment on the other team, so he knows I'm not always going to help them.
Just curious - why did you penalize illegal alignment earlier in the match and then correct it later without penalty?
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Old Tue Sep 17, 2024, 11:25am
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Just curious - why did you penalize illegal alignment earlier in the match and then correct it later without penalty?
Timing, and egregiousness.

In the earlier event, the team was in rotation 4 (setter in LF). The setter started out just slightly to the right of the CF (which I would have ignored / told the coach to correct on the next point) but then also left early so she was nearly / completely to the right of RF. I thought I had to get this, so I did.

In the latter, it was a sub (game interruption) after the opposing team had scored a few points and the opposite had made a few mistakes. This wasn't part of the team's usual sub pattern -- someone who hadn't played at all in the match was coming in to replace someone who had played every point. Given the nature of this sub, I thought it best to at least get them started in the right spot.

Willing to hear other opinions on this.
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