Left early

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

they need to stop umpiring... discerning what happened first between two nearly simultaneous events is a large part our job.

It's not even close to comparing whether the BR's foot hit the base or the ball hit the glove first. We're talking an umpire standing behind the short stop trying to figure out if R1 left 1st or R3 left 3rd first. That's not such an easy call. The players aren't near each other. The player's have different motions. This virtually never happens so it's hard to hone something that rarely occurs.

This is similar to calling a circle rule/look-back rule violation in certain situations.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

It's not even close to comparing whether the BR's foot hit the base or the ball hit the glove first.

Didn't say it was...

This is similar to calling a circle rule/look-back rule violation in certain situations.

Yes, exactly. Or tag-up vs catch. Or any timing play. It's our job. We're trained for it. Call what you see - who left first.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Didn't say it was...

Yes, exactly. Or tag-up vs catch. Or any timing play. It's our job. We're trained for it. Call what you see - who left first.

Yes, we get paid to make those calls, however I have to disagree with your comment from below

"they need to stop umpiring... discerning what happened first between two nearly simultaneous events is a large part our job."

Telling someone they need to stop umpiring because of something like this is what I see wrong with umpiring all over right now. We have old officials having this type attitude with other officials.

I don't know about your area, but in my area of the country we are running into serious issues with being able to fill officials assignments in multiple sports. Having officials with that attitude towards other officials is not helping bring new blood into the profession. There are enough issues with parents and coaches already driving people away from officiating, we don't need other officials being part of the problem.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Yes, we get paid to make those calls, however I have to disagree with your comment from below

"they need to stop umpiring... discerning what happened first between two nearly simultaneous events is a large part our job."

Telling someone they need to stop umpiring because of something like this is what I see wrong with umpiring all over right now. We have old officials having this type attitude with other officials.

I don't know about your area, but in my area of the country we are running into serious issues with being able to fill officials assignments in multiple sports. Having officials with that attitude towards other officials is not helping bring new blood into the profession. There are enough issues with parents and coaches already driving people away from officiating, we don't need other officials being part of the problem.

If an umpire cannot decide whether one event happened before another, his ability to do his job is nearly zero. Relying on crutches like those posted above (if I can't tell which happened first, bang out the lead runner) is the sign of an umpire who has stopped trying to do their job correctly.

"something like this" is a skill that is inherent to an umpire's ability to do the job in the first place. If they can't do "something like this", they can't umpire.

I'm sorry that you work in an area where you must accept warm bodies just to fill the assignments. That's not the case here. Most good umpires don't get as much work as they want, because there are so many good umpires.

Then again ... just 60 miles from here, I was asked to come help out because they were short, and my partner literally yelled, "TIE!" on a banger at first... (I guess he could not discern which event happened first... ) - so I recognize that there ARE areas where they are just trying to fill spots, by any means necessary.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

.... and my partner literally yelled, "TIE!" on a banger at first... (I guess he could not discern which event happened first...

Well, THAT'S a first!!! I thought I had heard it all. Maybe I have now.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Well, THAT'S a first!!! I thought I had heard it all. Maybe I have now.

I actually worked with this guy twice, a year apart - he did it both times.

[IRISHMAFIA]

If the umpire was watching multiple runners, one had to draw his/her attention and that is the one who should be ruled out.