Lineup Mgt

[CecilOne]

I have the feeling that some clinicians are so afraid of sounding like projected subs are ok, that they are over-reacting to the question.

The response above, from highly qualified clinicians and others should be enough to make the substitution process obvious and clear!

[RKBUmp]

The arguement I always hear for not doing it is, "but what if the coach changes batters 2, 5 & 6 using the rest of his subs, burns the reentry of one of his starters and then batter #5 gets injured and cant continue? This is to protect the coach from running into that problem." Why is it our job to protect the coach? He has to do it to create his starting lineup, what difference does it make if he wants to do it later? If he wants to make those changes and risk having a problem with his subs, that is his problem, not ours.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

The arguement I always hear for not doing it is, "but what if the coach changes batters 2, 5 & 6 using the rest of his subs, burns the reentry of one of his starters and then batter #5 gets injured and cant continue? This is to protect the coach from running into that problem." Why is it our job to protect the coach? He has to do it to create his starting lineup, what difference does it make if he wants to do it later? If he wants to make those changes and risk having a problem with his subs, that is his problem, not ours.

ditto

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

The arguement I always hear for not doing it is, "but what if the coach changes batters 2, 5 & 6 using the rest of his subs, burns the reentry of one of his starters and then batter #5 gets injured and cant continue? This is to protect the coach from running into that problem." Why is it our job to protect the coach? He has to do it to create his starting lineup, what difference does it make if he wants to do it later? If he wants to make those changes and risk having a problem with his subs, that is his problem, not ours.

One of the reasons you always repeat the changes back to the coach to ensure accuracy and it gives the coach the opportunity to hear it out loud. You know how it is when something inside your head sounds great and then you actually hear or see your idea in action and think, "What the hell was I thinking?" Some coaches are just that way. I've had coaches hear it and say, "no, that isn't what I want to do" and correct it. Saves all parties a lot of headaches down the road

[UmpireErnie]

The most common "projected" sub is the reentry.

Coach: "Blue I got 10 hitting for 15 then 10 will reenter.

Me: "Coach I'll accept the first change now. Let me know the other change when you are ready for it to happen."

Also to avoid "oopsie" mistakes that can be a headache later when I repeat back subs to the coach I use names on the lineup. "So I've got 10 Sally Jones hitting for 15 Katie Smith, right Coach?"

[jmkupka]

I understand and agree with Irish et al on this, but does your opinion conflict with NCAA's definition of "projected sub"? I'm just starting in NCAA work & want to get it right (it's great to work with coaches who actually know how to work the lineup and DP/Flex rule)

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

I understand and agree with Irish et al on this, but does your opinion conflict with NCAA's definition of "projected sub"? I'm just starting in NCAA work & want to get it right (it's great to work with coaches who actually know how to work the lineup and DP/Flex rule)

See post #8 for the NCAA approved ruling. In NCAA you cannot accept an offensive sub until they are actually coming to bat.