Infield Fly

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

The BR is out as soon as the umpire declares the infield fly. At the point, the BR's right to run cease. The BR is now a retired runner. The only remaining question is whether her actions after being declared out hindered the defense from continuing to field the ball and execute another play. If the offense was able to advance solely as a result of the ball hitting the retired BR and ricochetting away, then the answer would most likely be yes.

In that the IFF was declared, you are saying that it was a ball that could have been caught with ordinary effort. Base runners simply do not tag up on an IFF, especially when the defender is less than 60 feet from home plate.

Sorry to revive an old thread, but I was looking up IF situations because a couple of our guys may have messed it up last night.

The BR is NOT out as soon as the umpire declares an IF. S/he has not lost his/her right to run the bases.

The BR is out once the status of the ball has been determined. A pop up in the infield that several defenders converge on that hits in the pitcher's circle and spins untouched by a defender to foul territory is NOT an out despite the umpire's call an IF. That is why I try to suggest to our umpires to simply call "infield fly" or "infield fly if fair" as opposed to "infield fly batter is out".

Now back to my search and possibly a new post.

[CecilOne]

In NFHS, the BR is out when the ball is hit; a simpler way to rule.
As in, the BR or R is out, on a fly ball or force out, when the ball is caught by the fielder; regardless of how long it takes the umpire to signal or "declare" the out.

Given that the ASA rule editing had been screwed up, and has the redundant "J"; it could have been made simpler.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

In NFHS, the BR is out when the ball is hit; a simpler way to rule.
As in, the BR or R is out, on a fly ball or force out, when the ball is caught by the fielder; regardless of how long it takes the umpire to signal or "declare" the out.

Given that the ASA rule editing had been screwed up, and has the redundant "J"; it could have been made simpler.

Cecil:

Would you please explain the above sentence that I have highlighted in red?

MTD, Sr.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Cecil:

Would you please explain the above sentence that I have highlighted in red?

MTD, Sr.

8-2-9 "She hits an infield fly".

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

8-2-9 "She hits an infield fly".

Yabbut... You may not know if it's fair or foul at the immediate point that the bat contacted the ball, which appears to be your argument.

I'll go back to my contention that the batter is not out until the status of the ball has been determined. Although that may only take a matter of seconds, it does not occur immediately.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Yabbut... You may not know if it's fair or foul at the immediate point that the bat contacted the ball, which appears to be your argument.

I'll go back to my contention that the batter is not out until the status of the ball has been determined. Although that may only take a matter of seconds, it does not occur immediately.

As in, the BR or R is out, on a fly ball or force out, when the ball is caught by the fielder; regardless of how long it takes the umpire to signal or "declare" the out.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

As in, the BR or R is out, on a fly ball or force out, when the ball is caught by the fielder; regardless of how long it takes the umpire to signal or "declare" the out.

Apples to coconuts. I'd say 90% of fly ball and/or force outs everyone knows what just happened. I know umpires who neither verbalize or even signal a pop up out in the infield. I think that's wrong, but whatever.

An IF call requires some evaluation quickly because it's not just the batter that's affected, but Base Runners as well.

We're just going to disagree on this one...

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

We're just going to disagree on this one...

Respectfully on my part.