[ASA] Tiebreakers and Defensive Conferences

[MD Longhorn]

What Big said. The rule doesn't say you get 3 per GAME, and then extras in the extra innings. It says you get 3 during a seven inning game, and then one per inning after that. There's no carry-over.

[RKBUmp]

If you are going to go by the strict wording of the rule, then the tie breaker should also not start until the 8th inning. 5-11-A

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

If you are going to go by the strict wording of the rule, then the tie breaker should also not start until the 8th inning. 5-11-A

Unless the tourn rule says so, even if it does not change the def conf limit.

[AtlUmpSteve]

It has always been the understanding in any tournament which I have been involved with that also had a time limit that the intent of the rule of was 3 allowed conferences in any "regulation" game. That (regulation) could be any number of innings up to 7, with time limit being just one factor that could cause the game to be less than 7 innings. And, time limit is the only one of those reasons that could cause this to be unclear.

It is common to indicate (or understand) that the tiebreaker rule is in effect in the first inning after regulation; whether caused by time limit and tied, or end of 7 innings and tied. That said, the rulebook didn't contemplate time linits when the conference rule was written, so it does clearly state after 7 innings, not end of a tied regulation game.

Someone should suggest a rule change, as the vast majority of the world seems to understand it as "regulation".

[IRISHMAFIA]

There is no correlation between the tie breaker rule and extra innings.

Rule 5 is quite clear that a regulation game is 7 inning unless the home team is leading at the end of the top half of that inning.

It is also quite clear that DC are three in the 7 inning game.

The rule book seems quite clear. Now, since the rule changed negating the charged conference if the pitcher was changed, how many times have you, the umpire, told a coach the pitcher had to be changed, by rule?

DC in softball are not used as they are in baseball. In baseball, it is to talk to the battery and determine their status. I believe in softball, it is more of a team conversation on strategy than worry about the pitcher.

And then you have the argument that the coach who blows all his conferences in the first 3 innings gains a strategic (though that of the mind) advantage by getting more conferences that would not have been available had the game not run long.

[Andy]

I went ahead and kicked this up the food chain yesterday by sending it to my Regional UIC.

I got a phone call back from him and he told me after consulting with our Territory UIC that once the time limit has expired and you are playing additional innings due to a tie ball game that the one defensive conference per inning would go into effect, no matter what the actual inning of the ball game was.

I was told that the question was being forwarded to KR as well.

I'm hoping that it will be included in the next plays and clarifications.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Andy

I went ahead and kicked this up the food chain yesterday by sending it to my Regional UIC.

I got a phone call back from him and he told me after consulting with our Territory UIC that once the time limit has expired and you are playing additional innings due to a tie ball game that the one defensive conference per inning would go into effect, no matter what the actual inning of the ball game was.

I was told that the question was being forwarded to KR as well.

I'm hoping that it will be included in the next plays and clarifications.

Organizational uncertainty - Should we apply that interp. in all Terr/Regions or wait for KR?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Should we apply that interp. in all Terr/Regions or wait for KR?

Yes, definitely.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Organizational uncertainty - Should we apply that interp. in all Terr/Regions or wait for KR?

Prudence would say wait.





(Of course, I don't know Prudence that well, so you are are on your own as to whether or not you are going to listen to her.)