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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:54pm
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$400 to learn how to button hook just to watch a runner touch?

What advantage does button hooking provide when there is no play at the base? Stay outside and outa the way to watch the base touched.
If executed properly, no more or no less an advantage than staying outside....either one works just fine.

But it's the mechanic & coverage that ASA uses in their three-umpire system to cover the five situations (runner(s) on/base hit to OF) and their mechanic requires 3B to button hook inside the diamond.

The OP is about the poster going to an ASA Nat, working on his 3-man in preparation, and realizing that his execution on that particular coverage is not where he feels needs it to be and wants to improve on it. He obviously understands the importance placed on; and the expectation of proper mechanics by his tournament UIC and crew mates at the Nat.

Now the bolded part.."button hook just to watch a runner touch."
Depending how the play develops in any of the five runner configurations that has 3B button hooking inside the diamond, he will always have other responsibilities. "There's always a job to do", no matter which sanctioning body's mechanics are being used. That's just good umpiring.

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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:00pm
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So he will do as he's told, or else he won't work, but he had to come here to ask how to do it when it could a been explained right on the spot.

$400 to be taught how to do it is BS.

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If executed properly, no more or no less an advantage than staying outside....either one works just fine.

But it's the mechanic & coverage that ASA uses in their three-umpire system to cover the five situations (runner(s) on/base hit to OF) and their mechanic requires 3B to button hook inside the diamond.

The OP is about the poster going to an ASA Nat, working on his 3-man in preparation, and realizing that his execution on that particular coverage is not where he feels needs it to be and wants to improve on it. He obviously understands the importance placed on; and the expectation of proper mechanics by his tournament UIC and crew mates at the Nat.

Now the bolded part.."button hook just to watch a runner touch."
Depending how the play develops in any of the five runner configurations that has 3B button hooking inside the diamond, he will always have other responsibilities. "There's always a job to do", no matter sanctioning body's mechanics are being used. That's just good umpiring.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:09pm
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$400 to be taught how to do it is BS.
if that was the only expect of the game taught, you might have a simple point
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:16pm
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Oh, I can only imagine.

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if that was the only expect of the game taught, you might have a simple point
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:26pm
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(Note to self: Attend an advance camp...)

Thanks much.
If you've never been, I'm sure that attending one would help your game.

However, relative to the awkwardness you're experiencing with the button hook at 3B....I think it's like a lot of 3-man coverage mechanics (any org's.); we simply don't get the opportunity to work 3-man often enough to be as sharp and precise in our movements as we are in the two-man system.

Over the last four years, with the the four sanctions that I work, about 10% of my FP games (10/12) every season have been in the three-umpire system. However, I've yet to have the opportunity to work any ASA three-man. As such I'm in no position to offer any suggestions as to how do it properly.....ASA wise. There are plenty of good ASA guys here on the board that can though, plus continue to work with your local UIC.

Good luck at your National

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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:58pm
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Oh, I can only imagine.
You might be surprised who attended this year's camp as a guest instructor and consultant.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:04pm
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You might be surprised who attended this year's camp as a guest instructor and consultant.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:05pm
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Oh, I am not suggesting he should not follow orders.
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I am suggesting we can be thinking umpires and consider better mechanics. Most that do have moved on.
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So he will do as he's told, or else he won't work, but he had to come here to ask how to do it when it could a been explained right on the spot.

$400 to be taught how to do it is BS.
Wow, you sure do make some wild-ass assumptions about what I will and won't do. Do you even know me?

I asked what I thought was a simple question: How does U3 execute the button-hook as required by ASA mechanics? I got the answer. What I'm going to do or not do, whether I'm a robot or a thinking umpire, or how I spend $400 adds nothing to the discussion.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:10pm
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You get a 'note' from her about 9 or so times a year.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:14pm
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I am not assuming about YOU, but I am assuming what will happen if you don't do as you are told at an ASA event, you will be sent home. So either you will do as told and work, or you won't and you won't work.

You suggested if you spend the $400 for the advanced FP camp, you will be shown correctly how to button hook in 3-man. It was explained right here and you got it for free. What's missing?

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Wow, you sure do make some wild-ass assumptions about what I will and won't do. Do you even know me?

I asked what I thought was a simple question: How does U3 execute the button-hook as required by ASA mechanics? I got the answer. What I'm going to do or not do, whether I'm a robot or a thinking umpire, or how I spend $400 adds nothing to the discussion.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:17pm
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DA?

Common, tell me, don't play me like that.

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You get a 'note' from her about 9 or so times a year.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:20pm
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DA?

Common, tell me, don't play me like that.
He did.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:22pm
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Tells me so much.

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He did.
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:16pm
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It was explained right here and you got it for free. What's missing?
10 live real Tournament games all in the 3 man system while being critiqued by instructors like Kevin Ryan, Larry Montgomery, Riz, and several other outstanding ASA umpires.
Throw in all the food you could eat, video of said games, great camaraderie and hospitality to boot.

Makes for an informitive and extremly fun time!

To each is own I guess but I'm glad I did it as it would have took years to get that kind of hands on instruction and game action in the 3-man system....
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Old Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:28pm
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You paid for that vs getting paid, right?

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10 live real Tournament games all in the 3 man system while being critiqued by instructors like Kevin Ryan, Larry Montgomery, Riz, and several other outstanding ASA umpires.
Throw in all the food you could eat, video of said games, great camaraderie and hospitality to boot.

Makes for an informitive and extremly fun time!

To each is own I guess but I'm glad I did it as it would have took years to get that kind of hands on instruction and game action in the 3-man system....
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