ITB wrong runner

[shipwreck]

Over the years I have seen charts that show rule differences between ASA, Federation, NCAA etc. This one I have never seen listed though. ITB, incorrect runner placed at second. ASA says put correct runner on base, don't declare an out even if they have advanced. Looks like NCAA says, call "no pitch" declare runner out. Big difference. You would think it would be in the rule difference pages, unless I missed this one. Dave

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

Over the years I have seen charts that show rule differences between ASA, Federation, NCAA etc. This one I have never seen listed though. ITB, incorrect runner placed at second. ASA says put correct runner on base, don't declare an out even if they have advanced. Looks like NCAA says, call "no pitch" declare runner out. Big difference. You would think it would be in the rule difference pages, unless I missed this one. Dave

If the umpire is doing his job, this will never occur.

[shipwreck]

I agree completely but they put this specific scenario in both rule books. Can't for the life of me see how an umpire would let this happen. Probably put in just in case. Dave

[youngump]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

I agree completely but they put this specific scenario in both rule books. Can't for the life of me see how an umpire would let this happen. Probably put in just in case. Dave

First of all this is something that rarely happens, so having an umpire get it wrong rulewise doesn't seem like it would be that unexpected.
But the way I've done it I can imagine following my protocol and still getting it wrong. I walk over the coach and scorebook, ask the scorekeeper to tell me who will come up last in the inning, ask her to verify that the batter coming up is the one who hits right after her and we send that girl out to base. Generally the scorekeeper is on the other side of the fence and so I can't see the book well enough to figure out for myself if she's right. If she has the wrong batter due up, she could very well give me the wrong runner and I'd take her out to base.
Maybe the last out of the last inning was a caught stealing and she sends me the previous batter as my runner. If that girl stole third and then the batter popped out and then we got a batting out of order appeal, in resolving that I think I would send the girl who popped out down to third and not feel like I had messed it up.
What say you?

[Skahtboi]

As Mike has already stated, if the umpire is doing his job, then this would not be an issue. It doesn't matter the level of play, when I am the PU and this issue arises, I check with both books to see who they have listed to bat last. Then, if both agree, I confirm that is the the player who is sent to second before play ever resumes. One of the simplest forms of preventative umpiring.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

As Mike has already stated, if the umpire is doing his job, then this would not be an issue. It doesn't matter the level of play, when I am the PU and this issue arises, I check with both books to see who they have listed to bat last. Then, if both agree, I confirm that is the the player who is sent to second before play ever resumes. One of the simplest forms of preventative umpiring.

I've never gone to the second book when doing this (any of the three times). But I think I'll definitely add it as it seems a good idea.

That said, I've never had an ITB game as PU, and in all three games getting the runner was a thing I did as BU. Do you usually have the PU handle that?