Referee Magazine Case Plays

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bbsbvb83

SITUATION # 2: R1 is on first base and takes off on a hit-and-run. R1 touches second and is on her way to third as F8 makes a diving catch for the first out of the inning. F8 jumps to her feet and overthrows the ball into the first-base bench area. R1 is halfway between second and third as the ball leaves F8's hand. During the dead ball as the umpire awards the runner additional bases, R1 attempts to return to tag up at first base.

RULING # 2: R1 is awarded two bases to third base, but she never tagged up and cannot return to touch a base if she is on a base beyond the base she left too soon when the ball becomes dead. If the defensive coach appeals she never tagged up, R1 is out. Stopping the runner and pointing out she cannot return during the dead ball advantages the defense into making an appeal they might not have noticed (ASA 8-7F, 8-7I[3], R/S 1; NFHS 8-3-2 Effect, 8-4-3f Except. 2; NCAA 7.1.1.3, 12.28, 12.28.4.3; USSSA FP 9-1B, 9-3A, 9-6A, USSSA SP Rule 3-Appeal play, 8-5T Effect; 8-12D).

The red portions are incorrect for ASA

The proper award is home.

While it is true that once the runner touches an awarded base, she cannot return to touch a base missed or left too soon, it is false that she cannot do so the minute the ball goes dead. This is why umpires are instructed to wait until all obvious attempts of a runner to complete one's base running tasks before announcing an award. If this runner was already beginning to return when the umpire announces the award, she should not be ruled out on the appeal assuming she corrects any errors made in the prior play.

And, as usual, Bretman is correct, a coach cannot make this appeal.

[MD Longhorn]

And the moral of the story is ... (as Cecil said) do NOT rely on Referee Magazine on being correct. Ever.

[bbsbvb83]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

And the moral of the story is ... (as Cecil said) do NOT rely on Referee Magazine on being correct. Ever.

This was my first issue. If this is a sign of things to come, I have a feeling I won't be renewing my subscription.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bbsbvb83

This was my first issue. If this is a sign of things to come, I have a feeling I won't be renewing my subscription.

I have read good articles in there regarding positioning, equipment, attitude, mentoring, moving up, etc... pretty much all of the peripheral things you need to become good... and they do a good job covering all sports. And some good profiles on long-time officials as well

But that column they have about the rules is notoriously wrong.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by bbsbvb83

This was my first issue. If this is a sign of things to come, I have a feeling I won't be renewing my subscription.

But the insurance is worth it, even if you rarely read the mag.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The red portions are incorrect for ASA

The proper award is home.

While it is true that once the runner touches an awarded base, she cannot return to touch a base missed or left too soon, it is false that she cannot do so the minute the ball goes dead. This is why umpires are instructed to wait until all obvious attempts of a runner to complete one's base running tasks before announcing an award. If this runner was already beginning to return when the umpire announces the award, she should not be ruled out on the appeal assuming she corrects any errors made in the prior play.

And, as usual, Bretman is correct, a coach cannot make this appeal.

The RM ruling is about a base reached beyond the LTS base, not an awarded one. Does the "can't return" apply to that as well?