Let's Talk Courtesy Runner

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And why can you not enter a sub for the pitcher in ASA?

What about 8.10.F ?

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

What about 8.10.F ?

I'm was looking at that also, but after Irish asked the question I reread it.

It states 'for whom they are running may not return to run", so possibly a sub is not for "whom" they are running, and a sub would be allowed.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

I'm was looking at that also, but after Irish asked the question I reread it.

It states 'for whom they are running may not return to run", so possibly a sub is not for "whom" they are running, and a sub would be allowed.

If that is the correct logic, only in a rule book or IRS or campaign politics.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

What about 8.10.F ?

And if I substitute for the pitcher of record, why cannot that substitute enter the game for the courtesy runner? After all, that player is not the pitcher of record until she actually pitches, correct?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And if I substitute for the pitcher of record, why cannot that substitute enter the game for the courtesy runner? After all, that player is not the pitcher of record until she actually pitches, correct?

Isn't that the same as the "top of the first" exception?

Certainly seems to violate the intent.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Isn't that the same as the "top of the first" exception?

Certainly seems to violate the intent.

Curious... how? What do you think the intent of the rule is, and how would that particular substitution violate it?

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Curious... how? What do you think the intent of the rule is, and how would that particular substitution violate it?

In the top of the first inning only, the pitcher and catcher are identified as those players listed on the line-up as the pitcher and catcher. ASA Rule 8-10-B

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

In the top of the first inning only, the pitcher and catcher are identified as those players listed on the line-up as the pitcher and catcher. ASA Rule 8-10-B

True statement. Not sure what it adds to this topic, but true nonetheless.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Curious... how? What do you think the intent of the rule is, and how would that particular substitution violate it?

a) the rule states the pitcher/catcher may not return for the CR
b) the rule specifies that injury or DQ are the exceptions to a)
Saying no and then specifying exceptions leads to the conclusion that other maneuvers would be subterfuge, like the clarification needed the second year that the CR may not run for the DP, when the FLEX is the pitcher/catcher.

Not technically applicable to ASA, but in my mind, if NFHS found it necessary to add the substitute sentence to 8-9-6; it was not allowed previously.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Isn't that the same as the "top of the first" exception?

Certainly seems to violate the intent.

How does it violate the intent? If the coach wants to burn a player's entry into the game, that's up to him/her.

ASA has no restrictions on substitutions. You can effect a legal substitution/re-entry at any time for any player without penalty.

Why would you think this would be different? Understand, if they want to make it different, that is up to them, but as of right now, there is nothing stating it cannot be done.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Isn't that the same as the "top of the first" exception?

Certainly seems to violate the intent.

I would read the intent to keep from getting a "free" runner; wouldn't having to use a sub and burn the re-entry for the pitcher be enough to be cosider not "free"?