Putting the ball in play

[Rita C]

Just curious:

Do you all put the ball in play after every dead ball? With a signal at least?

Rita

[Insane Blue]

With runners on base always without runners on base about 90% of the time

[Gulf Coast Blue]

I do....just a habit. Never been dinged for it either.

Joel

[Manny A]

Always in baseball, hardly ever in softball.

Seriously, when I chose the red pill and joined the softball umpiring ranks, I was told in clinics that play is assumed when everyone is set, and there's no need for us to actually signal and say play. The only time I do put the ball in play is when I give the hold sign as the batter gets situated in the box, and then she's ready. At that point, I give the pitcher a "bring it" signal.

Oh, I also signal and say play at the very start of the game.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Just curious:

Do you all put the ball in play after every dead ball? With a signal at least?

Rita

Only if it is obviously necessary. Usually when someone is waiting for an indication all is ready or when I've been holding an eager pitcher. Signal, rarely, if ever, a verbal.

[AtlUmpSteve]

To start the game, "Play ball"; to start a half inning, "Play". After that, only when necessary, or to indicate I am tired of waiting and am starting a "time between pitches" count.

It is necessary in baseball, to indicate runners are now in jeopardy, and ability to start an appeal. Neither exists in softball (well, someone could stupidly want a live ball appeal after the ball has been dead, but really??), so, unless the batter is being surprised or quick-pitched, let them play.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Neither exists in softball (well, someone could stupidly want a live ball appeal after the ball has been dead, but really??), so, unless the batter is being surprised or quick-pitched, let them play.

Had that happen last week in FED game. Had a fly ball to right with a runner tagging at 2nd. After play coach called time and went out to talk to his pitcher, I knew what was coming but he never said a word to me. Walked off the field, my partner put ball back in play then coach told pitcher to step off and throw to 2nd for the appeal. Between innings I approached the coach and told him all he needed to do was call time and tell me he was appealing the runner leaving early. "Really? When did they change that rule?"

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Had that happen last week in FED game. Had a fly ball to right with a runner tagging at 2nd. After play coach called time and went out to talk to his pitcher, I knew what was coming but he never said a word to me. Walked off the field, my partner put ball back in play then coach told pitcher to step off and throw to 2nd for the appeal. Between innings I approached the coach and told him all he needed to do was call time and tell me he was appealing the runner leaving early. "Really? When did they change that rule?"

Not surprising. Some of our FED coaches played and/or coached baseball, and that's all they remember about appeals.

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Only if it is obviously necessary. Usually when someone is waiting for an indication all is ready or when I've been holding an eager pitcher. Signal, rarely, if ever, a verbal.

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

To start the game, "Play ball"; to start a half inning, "Play". After that, only when necessary, or to indicate I am tired of waiting and am starting a "time between pitches" count.

It is necessary in baseball, to indicate runners are now in jeopardy, and ability to start an appeal. Neither exists in softball (well, someone could stupidly want a live ball appeal after the ball has been dead, but really??), so, unless the batter is being surprised or quick-pitched, let them play.

Maybe because I started in baseball......it is just a habit with me......as I noted earlier.....I have never been dinged for it though......

Joel

[KJUmp]

Always.....when starting the game, when starting a half inning, and with runners on base; signal and verbal.
Other times, only when necessary to get things moving.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Gulf Coast Blue

Maybe because I started in baseball......it is just a habit with me......as I noted earlier.....I have never been dinged for it though......

I don't think anyone would ding you since there's nothing technically wrong about it. I've just been told it's not really necessary to do it in softball for the reasons Steve mentioned.

It's kinda like signalling and verbalizing Foul on obvious foul balls that go over the backstop or the fences down the lines.

This discussion does raise a question, though. For those of you who don't put the ball in Play consistently, when is Play assumed? In baseball, we wait until the pitcher gets on the plate, the catcher gets ready to receive the pitch, and the batter gets ready in the box before we signal and say Play. In softball, the only criterion is that the pitcher has the ball on the plate.

Here's why I ask. Suppose after Play was killed for whatever reason, the pitcher gets on the pitcher's plate with her hands together, and then separates them as she gets settled to take her sign. Do you call the IP? Or do you cut her slack since you probably would not have signaled Play Ball at that point?

[DeputyUICHousto]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Not surprising. Some of our FED coaches played and/or coached baseball, and that's all they remember about appeals.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, ASA used to have the same appeal process back in the 80's. Pitcher steps on the rubber, umpire says "play", pitcher steps off the rubber and makes the appeal. Ball is live and runners can advance at their own risk. I hated this process!!!

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I don't think anyone would ding you since there's nothing technically wrong about it. I've just been told it's not really necessary to do it in softball for the reasons Steve mentioned.

It's kinda like signalling and verbalizing Foul on obvious foul balls that go over the backstop or the fences down the lines.

This discussion does raise a question, though. For those of you who don't put the ball in Play consistently, when is Play assumed? In baseball, we wait until the pitcher gets on the plate, the catcher gets ready to receive the pitch, and the batter gets ready in the box before we signal and say Play. In softball, the only criterion is that the pitcher has the ball on the plate.

Here's why I ask. Suppose after Play was killed for whatever reason, the pitcher gets on the pitcher's plate with her hands together, and then separates them as she gets settled to take her sign. Do you call the IP? Or do you cut her slack since you probably would not have signaled Play Ball at that point?

That's why I'll continue to put it in play with a signal. I do both baseball and softball.

Rita

[Tru_in_Blu]

I've asked this question at both ASA and NFHS clinics. Unfortunately, the answers I've received appear to be more opinion than rule based.

I was dinged in an NFHS evaluation for not signalling after EVERY foul ball. Most of the ASA veterans are more of the 1 play ball declaration at the start of the game, and that's it.

Many express the opinion that if the batter is in the batter's box, we're good to go, and the assumption is that the ball is in play at that point.

But as a previous post asked, what if a runner steps off a base or the pitcher does something in that time between the foul ball and the batter being set in the box. If you've not signaled, can you call a violation. Or maybe worse, ignore one?

Ted

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

But as a previous post asked, what if a runner steps off a base or the pitcher does something in that time between the foul ball and the batter being set in the box. If you've not signaled, can you call a violation. Or maybe worse, ignore one?

Ted

Which is why my preference is to indicate "play" with a signal&verbal. Nothing 'over the top' with the signal or verbal, just a crisp clear point that can be seen and a verbal that is heard by the batter and catcher.