ISF Mechanic

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Or that is was a 4-umpire system. And that does make a difference.

Only one problem, ISF may not provide a mechanical scenario for the play you are describing.

If it is a fly ball to LF, U3 chases and U2 stays outside. There is no scenario provided for any other option, but it would make sense that U2 stay outside if to LF, come inside if LCF to RFL.

Do you know where the umpire is from and what direction they were given in the pre-tournament clinic?

Who said anything about a fly ball? Pay attention.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Who said anything about a fly ball? Pay attention.

Not me. There is no mechanic for any ball going to LF with no one chasing.

The only time I mentioned a fly ball is when I citing the one mechanic where a ball to LF is mentioned, but in that case an umpire goes out which does NOT meet the specs of the OP.

Maybe you should try paying attention.

[bsnalex]

Isn't this a bit moot, as World Cup is organised and officiated by ASA rather than ISF?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bsnalex

Isn't this a bit moot, as World Cup is organised and officiated by ASA rather than ISF?

The WCOS is played under ISF rules and mechanics. Of the 8 umpires, 3 were from the US.

And ASA does not utilize a 4-umpire system.

[tcannizzo]

One thing I noticed in several different games with different PU, was the liberal granting of TIME to B.

Is ISF different than ASA in this regard?
A couple of years ago, we were instructed that P gets 20 seconds and we are to give her every bit of that, unless B is in some sort of distress.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

....A couple of years ago, we were instructed that P gets 20 seconds and we are to give her every bit of that, unless B is in some sort of distress.

Tony....a question for you....Were you specifically instructed to do so in your ASA training?

This was a big deal in NCAA, but in all of our NFHS and ASA training, it was not delivered as a directive. I know that there are a lot of NCAA umpires in high positions in ASA and HS organizations and some tend to think that if something is good enough for NCAA, it must be good enough for HS and ASA as well.

[tcannizzo]

Andy,
Since I don't do college, only ASA/NFHS, it would have been in my local training. At least the way I understood it to be.

I know that I definitely do not grant time like I used to.
Batter wants time after 3 or 4 seconds, I just respond, "No, Play", and sometimes have to repeat, "No, Play".

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Andy

Tony....a question for you....Were you specifically instructed to do so in your ASA training?

This was a big deal in NCAA, but in all of our NFHS and ASA training, it was not delivered as a directive. I know that there are a lot of NCAA umpires in high positions in ASA and HS organizations and some tend to think that if something is good enough for NCAA, it must be good enough for HS and ASA as well.

Andy, do you not recall the NFHS Points of Emphasis in recent years, dealing with the need to manage the pace of the game, and specifically stating "Umpires should NOT routinely grant time to batters"?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Andy

Tony....a question for you....Were you specifically instructed to do so in your ASA training?

This was a big deal in NCAA, but in all of our NFHS and ASA training, it was not delivered as a directive. I know that there are a lot of NCAA umpires in high positions in ASA and HS organizations and some tend to think that if something is good enough for NCAA, it must be good enough for HS and ASA as well.

This was hit upon in our first ASA clinics of each of the past 2 years, as well as this year's NFHS clinic. If batter is just calling time because they are tired of waiting, they don't get time. I believe I had 5 or 6 conversations this year alone with coaches explaining that after they kept telling their players, "If she's taking too long, step out".