Scenario from Adv. Camp

[tcannizzo]

Sequence is important?

[MrRabbit]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

Sequence is important?

Yes it is...

[MD Longhorn]

The problem here in enforcing the IP first is that we don't know if "all runners advanced at least one base" until the decision on the CI is made.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The problem here in enforcing the IP first is that we don't know if "all runners advanced at least one base" until the decision on the CI is made.

You don't know if all runners advanced on the CO until you enforce the IP. If the count would have been 3 balls 1 strike and the coach chose to enforce the IP, then we would put runners on the 1st and 2nd ignore the CO.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by rwest

You don't know if all runners advanced on the CO until you enforce the IP. If the count would have been 3 balls 1 strike and the coach chose to enforce the IP, then we would put runners on the 1st and 2nd ignore the CO.

True as well.

[rwest]

Both the CO and IP rules say that the coach doesn't have the option if all runners including the batter runner advance safely one base. The rules also say when a runner passes a base, the runner is considered to have touched the base.

With that in mind, I give you the following.

R1 on 1st. IP/CO is called; batter makes contact. R1 makes it safely to third. BR misses 1st but makes it safely to 2nd. Defense appeals. BR is called out. Offensive coach comes out asking for you to enforce the penalty for the IP/CO.

What are you going to do?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by rwest

Both the CO and IP rules say that the coach doesn't have the option if all runners including the batter runner advance safely one base. The rules also say when a runner passes a base, the runner is considered to have touched the base.

With that in mind, I give you the following.

R1 on 1st. IP/CO is called; batter makes contact. R1 makes it safely to third. BR misses 1st but makes it safely to 2nd. Defense appeals. BR is called out. Offensive coach comes out asking for you to enforce the penalty for the IP/CO.

What are you going to do?

The runner may have passed the base, but they did not advance safely to the base. Enforce the IP/CO. (Similar logic to a 2-out BR who missed first and makes it to 2nd, appealed at first negating a run - run cannot score on a play where the BR is put out before safely reaching first base)

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

Yes it is...

In this case, it doesn't matter. With a runner on first, if you enforce both penalties:
IP - R1 to second, ball on BR, THEN Catcher's obstruction: BR to first, R1 doesn't advance (not forced). The effect is the same as if you just enforced the catcher's obstruction (BR to first, R1 forced to second).

The fun would be if R1 is at second and BR retired at first. Now the two effects would be different. My take is that you have to enforce both - R1 to third on the IP and BR to first on the Catcher's obstruction.
(ASA has a similar case play in which both penalties are enforced: IP and HPB.)