Run scores on Appeal?

[WestMichBlue]

"a runner getting doubled up on a line drive or fly ball didn't come to mind as the same thing"

With no disrespect to you, Emaxos, this is why a lot of "non-students of the game" (ie., fans, parents, even coaches and players) have problems with rules. There are many slang terms (doubled up on a fly ball) floating around that are not rules. Umpires, who should be students of the game, know there are no such rules in their books, but there are rules for appeal plays for leaving early. And there are rules in the book for determing how runs are scored. And specifically the types of outs and timing of outs that allow or disqualify runs scored.

Let me give you a different example. 2 outs, R1 at 3B, slow ground ball on infield, hurried throw to 1B in the dirt and is not fielded for the 3rd out. R1, who had a head start, touches home plate before B-R reaches 1B.

Sit 1: B-R passes 1B and starts for 2B, but then sees that F3 has ball and decides to pull up and return. F4 tags the base and looks to the ump, who calls B-R out. Does run score?

Sit 2: B-R misses the base, pulls up and turns right and trots back to 1B. F4 tags the base and looks to the ump, who calls B-R out. Does run score?

These are both live ball appeal plays. Sit 1: the B-R has already achieved 1B so B-R is put out between the bases. Timing play, run scores. Sit 2: B-R did not achieve 1B so out is at 1B; run can not score when B-R makes 3rd out at 1B.

In both cases the run scored before the infraction occured. In both cases the run scored before the out was physically called. But the run counted only in Sit 1.

Hope this helps.

WMB