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Originally posted by emaxos
No matter what I read, the run counting in the original situation cited doesn't make sense to me but I concede and will continue to learn.
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As WMB pointed out, there are force plays and there are timing plays.
If the third out of an inning is a force out, or if the third out is putting the batter-runner out before reaching 1B, then no runs score regardless of when this out was called relative to the runner crossing home.
With a timing play, OTOH, runs that cross before the out is called
will score.
If you think about your "instinct" about outs and runs scoring, you know this.
An appeal play is, by definition, a play the umpire cannot rule on until the appeal is made. Appeal plays include missed base, leaving early on a caught fly, batting out of order, etc.
If the appeal for the third out is an out that would have been a force out (e.g. runner from 1B missing 2B), then no runs score. If the appeal for the third out is for an out that would NOT have been a force out (e.g. runner from 1B missing 3B), then runs count for any preceeding runners who scored before the appeal.
An exception on appeals is if the appeal is a timing play and is for the 3rd out, succeeding runner's scores do not count. Example: 2 outs. R1 on 2nd. R2 on 1st. BR hits an outfield fly for an apparent inside the park home run. But, R2 misses third base. Defense appeals R2 missing 3rd after all runners cross home. One run (R1) scores. The batter-runner's score does not count. Inning over.
[Edited by Dakota on Jun 20th, 2003 at 11:02 AM]