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emaxos said:"While technically an appeal on a runner leaving early can be made during live play, I have never seen it done that way in my short 8 years around the game."
It happens in almost every game I call. Line drive to F4, ump calls batter out. Throw to 1B beats R1 scrambling back, umpire calls R1 out. Why is R1 out? She wasn't tagged while off the base, the base was taged but R1 wasn't forced. R1 is out on appeal! Everybody in the park knows that she left early; the actions of the defensive players tell the umpire that they are processing a live ball appeal. They don't have to say anything; Blue knows it and makes the call.
Now - do you still say you've never see this in 8 years?
"I have seen umpires call dead ball and the runner out without an appeal being made in NFHS games."
Good call, Blue - if this happened more than a couple years ago. That used to be an umpire's call in NFHS. Baseball came back to the player controlled appeal rule last year; softball changed back a couple years ago.
"Seems to me that the infraction actually occured before the run scored.... Allowing the run to score in this situation just doesnt make any sense, IMHO."
R2 was put out after R1 scored. Should be end of discussion. Maybe she was tagged out going into 3B; maybe she missed 3B and was tagged trying to get back to the base; maybe she was out at home, or caught in a rundown. Maybe the coach knew she left early and was yelling at her to go back and she was tagged by F6; maybe the throw went directly from the OF to 2B and R2 was out on live ball appeal. It doesn't matter how she was put out, only when! Did the defense get the out before the run scored?
WMB
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