Substitute R1 never enters game, but it's undiscoverred

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Softball needs to grow up and adopt the baseball unannounced sub rule.

The problem with that idea is this: if an unreported sub comes into the game (let's say the 3rd inn.) and nobody notices, you don't have 'em down in your lineup card. Then, later in the 5th, the OC reports the same person as a sub.

When the opposing coach comes out to appeal an illegal sub, how are you able to resolve this? They're not in HP's lineup. They're not going to be in the offensive team's book (if they're smart). They'll only be in the defensive team's book. You gonna take that as gospel? (Around here, you're not gonna find an "official book" that's not on one of the team's benches.)

I agree it would probably make things easier, but the baseball rule is not without it's problems.

[EsqUmp]

My state high school association adopted the MLB unreported substitute rule 20+ years ago. There is no penalty for an unreported substitute. Though some argue that this will make for a free-for-all, that couldn't be farther from the truth. We still require substitutes to be announced, but don't penalize players for coaching mistakes. We still have possible penalties for unsporting conduct for continual non-reporting, but that never seems to be an issue.

We prefer participation over disqualification, especially at the amateur level. We don't even penalize major league baseball players and coaches for not reporting and they are getting paid millions.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

The problem with that idea is this: if an unreported sub comes into the game (let's say the 3rd inn.) and nobody notices, you don't have 'em down in your lineup card. Then, later in the 5th, the OC reports the same person as a sub.

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Why would he do that - he's the one that told the sub to go into the game. He knows he's there.

It's not a problem in any baseball I've ever seen.

There was a recent thread about a NCAA game where the coach used a nickname instead of the proper name. What a joke. Hey softball - grow up.

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Why would he do that - he's the one that told the sub to go into the game. He knows he's there.

It's not a problem in any baseball I've ever seen.

There was a recent thread about a NCAA game where the coach used a nickname instead of the proper name. What a joke. Hey softball - grow up.

Yeah....same to you Rich......

Joel

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Why would he do that - he's the one that told the sub to go into the game. He knows he's there.

Maybe to gain an advantage over the other team? He has his best hitter bat in the 4 spot. Then he has him bat in the 8 spot. Team B comes up to complain and it's not in his book but it is in Team B's book. What do you have?