Substitute R1 never enters game, but it's undiscoverred

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

The problem with that idea is this: if an unreported sub comes into the game (let's say the 3rd inn.) and nobody notices, you don't have 'em down in your lineup card. Then, later in the 5th, the OC reports the same person as a sub.

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Why would he do that - he's the one that told the sub to go into the game. He knows he's there.

It's not a problem in any baseball I've ever seen.

There was a recent thread about a NCAA game where the coach used a nickname instead of the proper name. What a joke. Hey softball - grow up.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

An unannounced sub is officially in the game when they take their position and play commences (FED). In OBR it's when play commences except for the pitcher who is in the game as soon as he assumes his position on the rubber.

No fuss, no muss, no outs, no restrictions, no gamesmanship. They're in. It's over.

I like it!
Thanks for taking the time to post it.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

The runner who is now R1, who seemingly walked off with no one knowing....

Which runner is out? Jersey number, please, Blue? Or, as said earlier, are we now declaring ghost runners out?

The whole situation is FUBAR, for sure, but you can't just declare a generic runner out.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Which runner is out? Jersey number, please, Blue? Or, as said earlier, are we now declaring ghost runners out?

The whole situation is FUBAR, for sure, but you can't just declare a generic runner out.

Call the unreported sub out for abandoning the base? It's a big mess, but I can't allow runs to score when the inning should be over.

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by DTQ_Blue

Situation, HS varsity ball... An unreported substitute gets a BB and after reaching first is discovered to be an URS. This is the 2nd URS violation for team A so the runner and coach are bench restricted. The coach of team A is told by PU to enter a substitute as R1. PU is asked by BU, if the URS should be out and is told no. PU reports bench restrictions to coach of Team B and their scorer. Coach of Team B says URS should be out and is told no. After all the delay play resumes, except Team A has not sent the substitute in to be R1. PU doesn't notice that there is no R1. BU does and thinks of bringing this to PUs attention but does not. There was 1 out at this time. A second out is made, then Team A scores several runs before 3rd out is made. Team B coach approaches PU after half inning and wants clarification on how R1 could just disappear with no out called. PU confirms with BU that R1 never occupied the base after the removal of the URS. Coach of Team A wants to know what's going on and when told that Team B is asking about why R1 disappeared, he says because she was out due to being an URS. Any comments.

This is why in NFHS you keep your card like a shark....

Cluster**** all around....

Joel

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Why would he do that - he's the one that told the sub to go into the game. He knows he's there.

It's not a problem in any baseball I've ever seen.

There was a recent thread about a NCAA game where the coach used a nickname instead of the proper name. What a joke. Hey softball - grow up.

Yeah....same to you Rich......

Joel

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Why would he do that - he's the one that told the sub to go into the game. He knows he's there.

Maybe to gain an advantage over the other team? He has his best hitter bat in the 4 spot. Then he has him bat in the 8 spot. Team B comes up to complain and it's not in his book but it is in Team B's book. What do you have?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Call the unreported sub out for abandoning the base? It's a big mess, but I can't allow runs to score when the inning should be over.

There are lots of ways this could have been prevented, but you can't rule a runner out (the unreported sub) for abandoning her base when she was told to do so by the umpire, not to mention the ball is dead during this.

By the time the DC wised up and said something, it was too late for any remedy. I agree the runs should never have scored, but they did, and it is too late to fix it.