Not Your Everyday Play

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Out of curiosity (not being flippant here), did you call baseball before calling softball?

I began with softball and aside from an occasional baseball game, only umpire softball. I was not, however, trained under ASA, as most can tell...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I began with softball and aside from an occasional baseball game, only umpire softball. I was not, however, trained under ASA, as most can tell...

This isn't just ASA. NFHS & PONY and all other softball organizations of which I am aware use the same reference format of numbering the player based upon the batting order of that half inning.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

This isn't just ASA. NFHS & PONY and all other softball organizations of which I am aware use the same reference format of numbering the player based upon the batting order of that half inning.

I understand that. NCAA, Referee Magazine and PONY (they are clearing up the book) use it the way I worded it. Since I deal with those organizations more, I use their terminology.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I understand that. NCAA, Referee Magazine and PONY (they are clearing up the book) use it the way I worded it. Since I deal with those organizations more, I use their terminology.

I've not read all of the PONY rules, but the sections I visited in the rule book use the terminology in the order Irish mentions: R1 is most advanced runner, R2 is behind her, etc.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I've not read all of the PONY rules, but the sections I visited in the rule book use the terminology in the order Irish mentions: R1 is most advanced runner, R2 is behind her, etc.

Here you go. I think you can go to Page 39 for examples.

2012 PONY Girls Softball Rule Book (English Version)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I understand that. NCAA, Referee Magazine and PONY (they are clearing up the book) use it the way I worded it. Since I deal with those organizations more, I use their terminology.

And this play from Referee is why I think the terminology is ludicrous:

1. R3 is on third base and R2 is on second when B4 hits a ground ball to F6. While running to third, R2 inadvertently hinders F6 who is fielding the ball. At the time of the hindrance, R3 has not reached the plate.

To go with a Sheldonism, "In what universe is there any order which runs, 3, 2, 4?" What happened to "1"?

The softball method also allows for continuity in extended and continuations of any scenario(s). The baseball method is a one and done and a complete reset.

And that is my personal preference.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And this play from Referee is why I think the terminology is ludicrous:

1. R3 is on third base and R2 is on second when B4 hits a ground ball to F6. While running to third, R2 inadvertently hinders F6 who is fielding the ball. At the time of the hindrance, R3 has not reached the plate.

To go with a Sheldonism, "In what universe is there any order which runs, 3, 2, 4?" What happened to "1"?

The softball method also allows for continuity in extended and continuations of any scenario(s). The baseball method is a one and done and a complete reset.

And that is my personal preference.

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I will say this, though... At least EsqUmp specified in his post which runners were which. Too often, people assume that everyone knows on which base R3 had started.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

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[jmkupka]

Please help me if I'm missing something, but wouldn't this be the cousin of the IF? An intentional drop, dead ball, runners return.
Seems by the reaction of F6, here was an opportunity for a DP...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

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I will say this, though... At least EsqUmp specified in his post which runners were which. Too often, people assume that everyone knows on which base R3 had started.

Which is exactly how it is done. Ever try to teach mechanics by running continuous play scenario and changing the designation of each runner after each event? I'll stick with 1 being 1 from the plate to the plate, thank you very much.

[x-tremeump]

A little bit Muddy, 1 means 1, & 2 is 2nd ?

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Which is exactly how it is done. Ever try to teach mechanics by running continuous play scenario and changing the designation of each runner after each event? I'll stick with 1 being 1 from the plate to the plate, thank you very much.

When you have a post, you're more than welcome to do that.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I understand that. NCAA, Referee Magazine and PONY (they are clearing up the book) use it the way I worded it. Since I deal with those organizations more, I use their terminology.

Not my book (not sure what "clearing up the book" means - but I see zero references to the runners in baseball-order.)

PS - Referee Magazine's reputation on this site is BARELY ahead of Joe Morgan or Lisa Hernandez. Would recommend not using them as a source for anything.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Not my book (not sure what "clearing up the book" means - but I see zero references to the runners in baseball-order.)

PS - Referee Magazine's reputation on this site is BARELY ahead of Joe Morgan or Lisa Hernandez. Would recommend not using them as a source for anything.

"Cleaning up" means they had a lot of grammatical errors, formatting errors and too many inconsistencies. Most of them are being addressed.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Not my book (not sure what "clearing up the book" means - but I see zero references to the runners in baseball-order.)

PS - Referee Magazine's reputation on this site is BARELY ahead of Joe Morgan or Lisa Hernandez. Would recommend not using them as a source for anything.

There are a lot of good ideas and articles in Referee. Not just for softball and baseball, but other sports and other general issues as well. While I don't agree with everything they write, nor what anyone else rights, there's a lot to consider. I wouldn't put blinders on just because it wasn't the way I was necessarily trained. John Bennett, you many on this forum, including myself, hold in high regard, often writes for them.

I would concur with your opinion of Joe Morgan and Lisa Fernandez though. They are almost as bad as Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.