Errant throw / Safety base

[MrRabbit]

Do not see what the problem is....

The book makes the double base one large base both in ASA / NFHS.

Also tells us how to can it.

Until it is changed... play ball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

Do not see what the problem is....

The book makes the double base one large base both in ASA / NFHS.

Only for a play on a runner, not a BR.

[MrRabbit]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Only for a play on a runner, not a BR.

Question, Did I miss something?
We were talking about an errant throw pulling F3 on to the orange bag and the batter runner being out?
Doesn't that fall in to the one big bag category with a batter runner?
8-2-M-5

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

Question, Did I miss something?
We were talking about an errant throw pulling F3 on to the orange bag and the batter runner being out?
Doesn't that fall in to the one big bag category with a batter runner?
8-2-M-5

Just semantics, I guess...

The term "one big bag" is generally used to explain how the double base is regarded on plays where the batter-runner has already reached/passed first base (ie: has transformed from "a batter-runner" to "a runner").

You could put it this way:

After the batter-runner has reached/passed first base, then the double base always becomes "one big bag".

On the initial play against a batter-runner, almost all of the time it's treated as two separate bases, with just a couple of exceptions. Sometimes it's treated as "one big bag".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Just semantics, I guess...

The term "one big bag" is generally used to explain how the double base is regarded on plays where the batter-runner has already reached/passed first base (ie: has transformed from "a batter-runner" to "a runner").

You could put it this way:

After the batter-runner has reached/passed first base, then the double base always becomes "one big bag".

On the initial play against a batter-runner, almost all of the time it's treated as two separate bases, with just a couple of exceptions. Sometimes it's treated as "one big bag".

Yeah, pretty much the way I was thinking. Rabbit, that is where I was in my response. We teach it becomes one big bag for a runner, so I tend to avoid providing the same status for a rare exception involving a BR.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

Do not see what the problem is....

The book makes the double base one large base both in ASA / NFHS.

MOST of the time, this statement is untrue. If you don't see what the problem is, you're part of the problem - please reread the rule or head to a clinic. (No offense intended)

[x-tremeump]

[QUOTE=mbcrowder;829040]MOST of the time, this statement is untrue. If you don't see what the problem is, you're part of the problem - please reread the rule or head to a clinic. (No offense intended)

Sarcasm at its best, Thanks

[MD Longhorn]

[QUOTE=xtreamump;829240]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

MOST of the time, this statement is untrue. If you don't see what the problem is, you're part of the problem - please reread the rule or head to a clinic. (No offense intended)

Sarcasm at its best, Thanks

I have been guilty of sarcasm here, no doubt. But not in this post. I was trying to be clear and to the point. Seriously - if you don't see what the problem is in the scenario described, you are contributing to the problem itself. The problem here is not the rule - it's that a decent number of umpires are ruling this incorrectly - creating inconsistency - hence those that don't get it are the REASON for the problem.

Where's the sarcasm?