Errant throw / Safety base

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I don't know why ASA had to clarify it. It was clear to begin with. I guess it didn't hurt though.

The "wreck" was once covered in the rules supplement. I believe it is still there.

The clarification was a reversal in interpretation. In my PERSONAL opinion, I do not agree with it because it contradicts the purpose of the bases existence, but I will call it and teach it as they wish.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The clarification was a reversal in interpretation. In my PERSONAL opinion, I do not agree with it because it contradicts the purpose of the bases existence, but I will call it and teach it as they wish.

+1

Hate this interp. If this is what they want, just give us a big wide bag and drop all of the rules about who can use what.

[x-tremeump]

Hate this interp. If this is what they want, just give us a big wide bag and drop all of the rules about who can use what.

Alot of trouble with this here, teaching Umpires. I use KISS (Keep it simple Stupid).

[EsqUmp]

The only good thing that I have seen come out of the double first base is now there are not nearly as many three foot lane violations. The runners know that they need to get to the colored base and no long have the argument "I just went out of the lane at the last second to step on the base." Other than that, the rule is a joke. It's an even bigger joke to think that a defender can retrieve a ball on an errant throw and come back to touch the colored portion. Awarding the defense with another 15 inches because of an errant throw? Ridiculous.

I don't see any double bases in boys games....

[NSABill]

The whole double base with, interps that allows players to go to one or the other depending on situations is a nightmare.
Sort of messes up the whole intent in my humble opinion.
Started off as a nice thing that turns ugly.

I HATE IT NOW.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by NSABill

The whole double base with, interps that allows players to go to one or the other depending on situations is a nightmare.
Sort of messes up the whole intent in my humble opinion.
Started off as a nice thing that turns ugly.

I HATE IT NOW.

I don't see it as being nightmarish. If the play comes from the foul side, they may switch. They don't have to switch.

Consider the alternative in USSSA: up until this year, the offense and defense could never switch on any initial play on the batter-runner. Ever.

Now THAT was a safety issue if I ever heard one.

[NSABill]

I guess some of the biggest issues I have had is with all the misinterpretations that have gone on in different codes by different coaches and umpires. Have had coaches scream at me that "Don't I understand that either player can go to either one anytime. That is what their UIC told them in a clinic". I sort of think I have seen more collisions with it than without. I have not done an actual study though. Just a perception. Some codes try and tell you that if the errant throw pulls the defensive player to the orange, the offensive player is supposed to switch. Now that is what I am told. That would seem like you are giving the defense a bonus for a bad throw and the onus on an offensive player to decide when to switch. Some places or locals have butchered this safety issue. That is why it is a nightmare to me. Probably because of place Ive been or UIC's giving me bogus interps.

Probably if everyone knows the right way it is supposed to be, it would be a good thing.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I don't see any double bases in boys games....

You're not looking hard enough.

NFHS baseball rules offer the double base as a "state adoption" and covers it's usage in their baseball rule book.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by BretMan

You're not looking hard enough.

NFHS baseball rules offer the double base as a "state adoption" and covers it's usage in their baseball rule book.

They may allow it, but I haven't seen it.

It's a shame that they invented a rule that was needed only because runners weren't taught how to run correctly. I think that poor coaching should NOT lead to rules changes.

[x-tremeump]

because runners weren't taught how to run correctly.

Teaching this ASA Rule is easy, getting the Umpire to think like this is hard.
Great threads.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I don't see any double bases in boys games....

Goodness, I sure do. About 100%.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

+1

....just give us a big wide bag and drop all of the rules about who can use what.

This is the interpretation that AZ has adopted for HS play.

Most, if not all, of the school fields do not have the double first base, but we do have some schools that play their home games and tournaments at the city fields where the double base is standard. If the double base is present, we treat it as one big base for everybody.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by Andy

This is the interpretation that AZ has adopted for HS play.

Most, if not all, of the school fields do not have the double first base, but we do have some schools that play their home games and tournaments at the city fields where the double base is standard. If the double base is present, we treat it as one big base for everybody.

What is the Official Consensus on, BR hits a hard grounder to F6, BR beats the throw and only touches the white bag, now the F3 touches the R1 before she returns back to 1B, and says "Hey Blue she did not use the SAFETY BASE ? I figured out how to Edit, this is great, I am going to finish the night with a happy ending.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

What is the Forum view on, BR hits a hard grounder to F6, BR beats the throw and only touches the white bag, now the F3 touches the R1 before she returns back to 1B, and says "Hey Blue she did not use the SAFETY Bag ?

Sounds like a properly executed live ball appeal to me. R1 is out.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

what is the forum view on, br hits a hard grounder to f6, br beats the throw and only touches the white bag, now the f3 touches the r1 before she returns back to 1b, and says "hey blue she did not use the safety bag ?

out!

(This is not the "forum view"... but rather the call we're required to make.)