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EsqUmp Thu Feb 09, 2012 05:58pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 821959)
Not to mention the fact that the umpire doesn't own or operate the field, game or equipment.

The entire argument is a joke, but then again.......https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/im...TjYrZsq-895PNQ

So because we don't own any equipment, we shouldn't check it? Don't we do that as a courtesy for liability purposes.

The argument is far from a joke. If you don't like the mechanic, so be it. But your fear of anything that contradicts your cloned mechanics is troublesome. You've never used the mechanic so you can't speak from experience.

Someone with "two world cups" probably has enough contacts with ASA to get a written ruling. I look forward to seeing it.

BretMan Thu Feb 09, 2012 08:02pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 822091)
The majority of MLB umpires use the two umpire system. There are multiple levels of MLB in case you weren't aware.

No, sorry, I'm not aware of any other levels of Major League Baseball beyond the one that calls itself "Major League Baseball" and operates thirty Major League Baseball Clubs under the umbrella of "Major League Properties".

The multiple professional levels below Major League Baseball are collectively known as "Minor League Baseball".

I've seen official Major League Baseball games using three, four and six umpires before. Which level of Major League Baseball uses two?

tcannizzo Thu Feb 09, 2012 09:39pm

+1

SRW Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:25am

Wow.

It's not in writing (that I know of) that I wear my hat with the brim forward, over my eyes when on the plate.

I think I'm gonna turn it around next time.

Wonder if I get anymore assignments when/if Wild Bill sees me.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:46am

I umpire baseball (NFHS) and fastpitch softball (NFHS, ASA, and USSSA). I am a structural engineer and therefore understand the legal arguments that ExqUmp is using to justify moving a bat or catcherr's mask, BUT there is a very BIG problem with his argument, and that is bats and catcher's masks are part of the Playing Field. And while we are required to conduct a pre-game inspection of the playing field for any safety issues, by rule bats and catcher's masks in the context of this dicussion are not safety issues per se.

MTD, Sr.

EsqUmp Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:29am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 822469)
I umpire baseball (NFHS) and fastpitch softball (NFHS, ASA, and USSSA). I am a structural engineer and therefore understand the legal arguments that ExqUmp is using to justify moving a bat or catcherr's mask, BUT there is a very BIG problem with his argument, and that is bats and catcher's masks are part of the Playing Field. And while we are required to conduct a pre-game inspection of the playing field for any safety issues, by rule bats and catcher's masks in the context of this dicussion are not safety issues per se.

MTD, Sr.

Mark,

I'm glad to see someone else with some legal experience can contribute. I agree that those items do become part of the field. How do you think that plays into the duty to reasonably ensure a safe playing field whenever possible?

IRISHMAFIA Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 822461)
Wow.

It's not in writing (that I know of) that I wear my hat with the brim forward, over my eyes when on the plate.

I think I'm gonna turn it around next time.

Wonder if I get anymore assignments when/if Wild Bill sees me.

Oh, I have a feeling you will get assignments.....may not be to the games you expect, but there will probably be assignments. Now, go get us all a nice draught, will ya'? :D

Think it is too early to ask where ASA states you have too run the bases in a specific order to score a run?

EsqUmp Fri Feb 10, 2012 02:49pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 822535)
Oh, I have a feeling you will get assignments.....may not be to the games you expect, but there will probably be assignments. Now, go get us all a nice draught, will ya'? :D

Think it is too early to ask where ASA states you have too run the bases in a specific order to score a run?

The book does say that. It's under scoring. They even had to clarify it a few years ago regarding ITB.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Feb 10, 2012 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 822595)
The book does say that. It's under scoring. They even had to clarify it a few years ago regarding ITB.

Not true.

EsqUmp Fri Feb 10, 2012 09:27pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 822630)
Not true.

I guess you're right. So if we apply your logic in your original argument over the blatantly illegal softball bat (with the grip starting 4 inches from the knob), I guess the coach wouldn't be wrong to argue the BR could go to 3rd base first.

No wait, you're wrong. The batter-runner is out when...

IRISHMAFIA Sat Feb 11, 2012 01:01am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 822700)
I guess you're right. So if we apply your logic in your original argument over the blatantly illegal softball bat (with the grip starting 4 inches from the knob), I guess the coach wouldn't be wrong to argue the BR could go to 3rd base first.

No wait, you're wrong. The batter-runner is out when...

You are right, NFHS does, but in "Touching Bases in Legal Order", not scoring. ASA has no such order listed. It was suggested a few years ago and dismissed as unnecessary as it would be obvious to the least intelligent person. Go figure.

And, BTW, Mr. Bliss, you are still clueless as it pertains to my raising the issue of "grip", but that does not surprise me as you "read" what you elect with minimal comprehension. I think sometimes, like many folks nowadays, you see certain words and make definitive assumptions instead of taking in the full context of the event.

NSABill Sat Feb 11, 2012 06:46pm

Ump Esq

You strike me as a very young sophomoric umpire.

You are excused.

EsqUmp Sat Feb 11, 2012 08:35pm

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Originally Posted by NSABill (Post 822927)
Ump Esq

You strike me as a very young sophmoric umpire.

You are excused.

Bringing forward ideas that aren't mentioned by others does not make me sophmoric [sic] umpire. It makes me one who has had the opportunity to discuss softball with people from around the country, people who have different points of view and different experiences. Rather than having one or two groups or dictators spell things out for me, I can take and reject and learn from their and my experience.

Your sarcastic approval is unwanted and unwarranted.

You are excused for your "sophmoric" spelling.

NCASAUmp Sat Feb 11, 2012 09:05pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 822939)
Bringing forward ideas that aren't mentioned by others does not make me sophmoric [sic] umpire. It makes me one who has had the opportunity to discuss softball with people from around the country, people who have different points of view and different experiences. Rather than having one or two groups or dictators spell things out for me, I can take and reject and learn from their and my experience.

Your sarcastic approval is unwanted and unwarranted.

You are excused for your "sophmoric" spelling.

Bringing forth new ideas is a wonderful idea, so long as the person presenting such ideas does so in a respectful and tactful manner.

NSABill Sun Feb 12, 2012 07:34am

Thank you my Friend.
Should have used spell check.
Have a good season.


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