Balk?

[derwil]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

What many do not understand, and I found out the hard way, umpires sent to nationals are not always determined by the UIC, but sometimes by commissioners/district commissioners and/or other individuals who may be part of a local association commission.

While at the 12U in Montgomery, a call out came from the 16U in Chattanooga looking for umpires for 1-2 days. I'm pretty sure they were looking for live bodies at that point and would have taken just about anyone. I didn't go so not sure why there was a need but if they were desperate there could have been some yahoos sent there.............

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by derwil

While at the 12U in Montgomery, a call out came from the 16U in Chattanooga looking for umpires for 1-2 days. I'm pretty sure they were looking for live bodies at that point and would have taken just about anyone. I didn't go so not sure why there was a need but if they were desperate there could have been some yahoos sent there.............

One of the guys in my crew was at the 16U in TN, and my understanding was that it was HOT. I suspect they may have lost umpires to heat exhaustion.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

One of the guys in my crew was at the 16U in TN, and my understanding was that it was HOT. I suspect they may have lost umpires to heat exhaustion.

Correct. Two of my friends were there and they said EMT's and IV's were common. Temps 98 - 102 each day.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

One of the guys in my crew was at the 16U in TN, and my understanding was that it was HOT. I suspect they may have lost umpires to heat exhaustion.

174 teams....hot and humid....several umpires did go down from what I heard.

A side note - the PU for the championship game was one of ours from AZ...very proud of her!

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Andy

174 teams....hot and humid....several umpires did go down from what I heard.

A side note - the PU for the championship game was one of ours from AZ...very proud of her!

We had a tourney here a few weeks ago. Temps were in the upper 90s, lower 100s. I'd heard that at least 10 umpires went down from heat on the first day.

[LIUmp]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

We had a tourney here a few weeks ago. Temps were in the upper 90s, lower 100s. I'd heard that at least 10 umpires went down from heat on the first day.

Temps on the "coolest day" was 97. Out of the 8 days, 6 were over 100 and two days were 106 and 108 with high humidity. The heat index on the first day was 128 or something. It was dangerous. The temps you guys experienced was similar to what Cary had 2 weeks ago.

First day we had 14 umps go to Duke University Med. Center for heat illnesses.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by LIBlueASA

Temps on the "coolest day" was 97. Out of the 8 days, 6 were over 100 and two days were 106 and 108 with high humidity. The heat index on the first day was 128 or something. It was dangerous. The temps you guys experienced was similar to what Cary had 2 weeks ago.

First day we had 14 umps go to Duke University Med. Center for heat illnesses.

Which is why I ended up getting a call from one of the UICs, asking if I could help out on Saturday. Unfortunately, I was in Wisconsin attending my grandmother's funeral, or I would have certainly helped out as much as possible.

The whole time, I was thinking and worrying about you guys (and ladies) who were calling the tournament. I knew how hot it was, and my fears of umpires falling out were proven correct. Thankfully, no one had serious complications that the medical facilities couldn't handle.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by derwil

While at the 12U in Montgomery, a call out came from the 16U in Chattanooga looking for umpires for 1-2 days. I'm pretty sure they were looking for live bodies at that point and would have taken just about anyone. I didn't go so not sure why there was a need but if they were desperate there could have been some yahoos sent there.............

While the heat was a factor, that isn't why they needed umpires Wednesday.

The TD accepted some late registrations that created the need for a remote site not previously planned for; three fields for a total of 10 games added on fields not manned on the first day of elimination play (3 umpire system).

We (in Georgia) were prepared to man them all (using 12-13 umpires) when we were told last minute (the night before, after telling our umpires to drive out 5:30 am to be on site by 7:00 am, as they weren't providing any rooms to get there the night before) they had dug up some more locals, and just 5 or 6 were needed. Several of mine were in the group that went; and yes, the reports I got were they saw bodies that were barely warm.

Several of mine were in the main group, and one of my fill-in-for-one-day was asked to stay for a few more days. Heard a few stories that raised hair on my neck; local first year umpires that had never seen (let alone worked) three man system before, and more. At the ASA/USA 16A National.

Because they "weren't prepared for so many", reports of not being fed, umpires sent home after their last assignment, no umpire party, and more. Seems to me the hosts shouldn't claim not prepared if they chose to accept late fill-in teams and registrations, and not skimp on umpire hospitality.

Not great reports from the local teams, either.

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

While the heat was a factor, that isn't why they needed umpires Wednesday.

The TD accepted some late registrations that created the need for a remote site not previously planned for; three fields for a total of 10 games added on fields not manned on the first day of elimination play (3 umpire system).

We (in Georgia) were prepared to man them all (using 12-13 umpires) when we were told last minute (the night before, after telling our umpires to drive out 5:30 am to be on site by 7:00 am, as they weren't providing any rooms to get there the night before) they had dug up some more locals, and just 5 or 6 were needed. Several of mine were in the group that went; and yes, the reports I got were they saw bodies that were barely warm.

Several of mine were in the main group, and one of my fill-in-for-one-day was asked to stay for a few more days. Heard a few stories that raised hair on my neck; local first year umpires that had never seen (let alone worked) three man system before, and more. At the ASA/USA 16A National.

Because they "weren't prepared for so many", reports of not being fed, umpires sent home after their last assignment, no umpire party, and more. Seems to me the hosts shouldn't claim not prepared if they chose to accept late fill-in teams and registrations, and not skimp on umpire hospitality.

Not great reports from the local teams, either.

Some hosts get that you HAVE to take care of your umpires.... some dont.... The south USUALLY handles it the best....

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

While the heat was a factor, that isn't why they needed umpires Wednesday.

The TD accepted some late registrations that created the need for a remote site not previously planned for; three fields for a total of 10 games added on fields not manned on the first day of elimination play (3 umpire system).

We (in Georgia) were prepared to man them all (using 12-13 umpires) when we were told last minute (the night before, after telling our umpires to drive out 5:30 am to be on site by 7:00 am, as they weren't providing any rooms to get there the night before) they had dug up some more locals, and just 5 or 6 were needed. Several of mine were in the group that went; and yes, the reports I got were they saw bodies that were barely warm.

Several of mine were in the main group, and one of my fill-in-for-one-day was asked to stay for a few more days. Heard a few stories that raised hair on my neck; local first year umpires that had never seen (let alone worked) three man system before, and more. At the ASA/USA 16A National.

Because they "weren't prepared for so many", reports of not being fed, umpires sent home after their last assignment, no umpire party, and more. Seems to me the hosts shouldn't claim not prepared if they chose to accept late fill-in teams and registrations, and not skimp on umpire hospitality.

Not great reports from the local teams, either.

Don't the teams have to earn their way to Nationals?

Rita

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Don't the teams have to earn their way to Nationals?

Rita

NCs max out at a possible 226 teams. From what I was told, every one of the 172 original teams qualified, no fill ins. Some teams cannot make up their mind and try to come in late. It doesn't mean they did not qualify at some point.

Also, in some cases, there are teams that may have been in the fringe and just missed qualifying, or teams earned berths and returned them. When this happens, the host may offer berths to "fill in" teams. Usually, this comes through the team's JO Commissioner who probably wouldn't lift a finger if that team did not support the local ASA program, so most of the time, it is a legitimate ASA team used as a fill-in.