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Rita C Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:55am

Balk?
 
A gentleman I umpire with had a conversation with another umpire who said he just got back from umpiring an ASA National tournament and that he called a balk during the game.

My friend said, "You mean illegal pitch?" And the other one said, "No, balk."

I couldn't find anything in the ASA rulebook that says there are any balks in ASA. Or am I missing something?

Rita

azbigdawg Mon Aug 15, 2011 02:03am

no

DBull Mon Aug 15, 2011 06:59am

Probably that guy's last national.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Aug 15, 2011 07:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 780873)
A gentleman I umpire with had a conversation with another umpire who said he just got back from umpiring an ASA National tournament and that he called a balk during the game.

My friend said, "You mean illegal pitch?" And the other one said, "No, balk."

I couldn't find anything in the ASA rulebook that says there are any balks in ASA. Or am I missing something?

Rita

For the little ball guys. Isn't a balk a dead ball?

tcannizzo Mon Aug 15, 2011 07:39am

Did he also say that he got sent home after that game? :eek:

pob14 Mon Aug 15, 2011 08:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 780911)
For the little ball guys. Isn't a balk a dead ball?

IIRC, it is in FED. Not in MLB rules though; it's a delayed dead ball, although they don't call it that.

CecilOne Mon Aug 15, 2011 09:48am

Even though the primary definition of "balk" is
: a ridge of land left unplowed as a dividing line or through carelessness

There is a fifth definition of "balk" as
: failure of a player to complete a motion;
especially : an illegal motion of the pitcher in baseball while in position

So, a balk literally can be any failure of a player to complete a motion, including a checked swing, diving back to a base after attempting to advance, holding the ball afer a bluff or attempt to throw, etc., etc., etc. The "especially" clause above is not part of the essential definition.

:rolleyes: :D

BretMan Mon Aug 15, 2011 09:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 780911)
For the little ball guys. Isn't a balk a dead ball?

Only in the strange world of NFHS baseball.

Rita C Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:24am

Fwiw
 
I thought it wasn't but I didn't know what "ASA National" was and I know some tournaments make up their own rules.

I received an reply from my softball assignor that said he was asked to go home early.

I don't understand why he would brag about the call then....

:rolleyes:

Rita

NCASAUmp Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 780950)
I thought it wasn't but I didn't know what "ASA National" was and I know some tournaments make up their own rules.

I received an reply from my softball assignor that said he was asked to go home early.

I don't understand why he would brag about the call then....

:rolleyes:

Rita

ASA Nationals do make up their own rules - and they decide on them every November and print them plainly and clearly for everyone to read in a nice little book.

No exceptions.

What part of "Championship Play" did this guy not understand? :eek:

tcannizzo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 780950)
I thought it wasn't but I didn't know what "ASA National" was and I know some tournaments make up their own rules.

I received an reply from my softball assignor that said he was asked to go home early.

I don't understand why he would brag about the call then....

:rolleyes:

Rita

This is why I asked if he got sent home after that call.
Unfortunately, there are some umpires who make up their own rules.

KJUmp Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:10pm

What ASA National was it?

Rita C Mon Aug 15, 2011 07:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 780965)
What ASA National was it?

Not sure, and given how I've gotten in trouble posting on this website before (on the baseball board) I would be reluctant to give details.

This guy is one of the few I've ever asked not to work with. And I'm not the only one. It will be interesting to see if he comes back to our association next year.

Rita

Rita C Mon Aug 15, 2011 07:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 780952)
ASA Nationals do make up their own rules - and they decide on them every November and print them plainly and clearly for everyone to read in a nice little book.

No exceptions.

What part of "Championship Play" did this guy not understand? :eek:

LOL yep.

Rita

HugoTafurst Mon Aug 15, 2011 08:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 780873)
A gentleman I umpire with had a conversation with another umpire who said he just got back from umpiring an ASA National tournament and that he called a balk during the game.

My friend said, "You mean illegal pitch?" And the other one said, "No, balk."

I couldn't find anything in the ASA rulebook that says there are any balks in ASA. Or am I missing something?

Rita

Someone was BSing or completeley clueless...
Did he buy a piece of pie?


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