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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 12:55am
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A gentleman I umpire with had a conversation with another umpire who said he just got back from umpiring an ASA National tournament and that he called a balk during the game.

My friend said, "You mean illegal pitch?" And the other one said, "No, balk."

I couldn't find anything in the ASA rulebook that says there are any balks in ASA. Or am I missing something?

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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 02:03am
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 06:59am
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Probably that guy's last national.
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 07:07am
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A gentleman I umpire with had a conversation with another umpire who said he just got back from umpiring an ASA National tournament and that he called a balk during the game.

My friend said, "You mean illegal pitch?" And the other one said, "No, balk."

I couldn't find anything in the ASA rulebook that says there are any balks in ASA. Or am I missing something?

Rita
For the little ball guys. Isn't a balk a dead ball?
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 07:39am
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Did he also say that he got sent home after that game?
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 08:40am
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For the little ball guys. Isn't a balk a dead ball?
IIRC, it is in FED. Not in MLB rules though; it's a delayed dead ball, although they don't call it that.
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 09:48am
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Even though the primary definition of "balk" is
: a ridge of land left unplowed as a dividing line or through carelessness

There is a fifth definition of "balk" as
: failure of a player to complete a motion;
especially : an illegal motion of the pitcher in baseball while in position

So, a balk literally can be any failure of a player to complete a motion, including a checked swing, diving back to a base after attempting to advance, holding the ball afer a bluff or attempt to throw, etc., etc., etc. The "especially" clause above is not part of the essential definition.

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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 09:52am
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For the little ball guys. Isn't a balk a dead ball?
Only in the strange world of NFHS baseball.
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 10:24am
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I thought it wasn't but I didn't know what "ASA National" was and I know some tournaments make up their own rules.

I received an reply from my softball assignor that said he was asked to go home early.

I don't understand why he would brag about the call then....



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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 10:45am
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I thought it wasn't but I didn't know what "ASA National" was and I know some tournaments make up their own rules.

I received an reply from my softball assignor that said he was asked to go home early.

I don't understand why he would brag about the call then....



Rita
ASA Nationals do make up their own rules - and they decide on them every November and print them plainly and clearly for everyone to read in a nice little book.

No exceptions.

What part of "Championship Play" did this guy not understand?
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 11:54am
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I thought it wasn't but I didn't know what "ASA National" was and I know some tournaments make up their own rules.

I received an reply from my softball assignor that said he was asked to go home early.

I don't understand why he would brag about the call then....



Rita
This is why I asked if he got sent home after that call.
Unfortunately, there are some umpires who make up their own rules.
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 12:10pm
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What ASA National was it?
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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 07:54pm
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What ASA National was it?
Not sure, and given how I've gotten in trouble posting on this website before (on the baseball board) I would be reluctant to give details.

This guy is one of the few I've ever asked not to work with. And I'm not the only one. It will be interesting to see if he comes back to our association next year.

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ASA Nationals do make up their own rules - and they decide on them every November and print them plainly and clearly for everyone to read in a nice little book.

No exceptions.

What part of "Championship Play" did this guy not understand?
LOL yep.

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Old Mon Aug 15, 2011, 08:58pm
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A gentleman I umpire with had a conversation with another umpire who said he just got back from umpiring an ASA National tournament and that he called a balk during the game.

My friend said, "You mean illegal pitch?" And the other one said, "No, balk."

I couldn't find anything in the ASA rulebook that says there are any balks in ASA. Or am I missing something?

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