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Old Tue Jul 12, 2011, 09:16am
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Had this happen to another umpire crew this past weekend.

What would you do?

Bottom of 7th and home team down by one run. Runner on 2nd base with one out. Batter hits a high pop fly to the short stop. Umpire calls "infield fly, batter out!" Batted ball is not caught. Batter, assuming he is out doesn't run but does not enter dugout. Ball is returned to the pitcher. Umpires realize their mistake and get together to talk.

What would you do in this situation? I'll tell you what happened later.
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Old Tue Jul 12, 2011, 09:26am
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Put the batter-runner on 1B (even if the BR had entered the dugout). Leave R1 on 2B. Explain the mistake and the resolution to the coaches.

I'd guess the resolution was more "interesting" than that?
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Old Tue Jul 12, 2011, 09:28am
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Place the batter at 1st and be ready to eat a lot of crap from the defensive coach.
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Old Tue Jul 12, 2011, 09:40am
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Put the batter-runner on 1B (even if the BR had entered the dugout). Leave R1 on 2B. Explain the mistake and the resolution to the coaches.

I'd guess the resolution was more "interesting" than that?
Agree...on both comments.
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Old Tue Jul 12, 2011, 10:10am
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Place the batter at 1st and be ready to eat a lot of crap from the defensive coach.
"Coach, the purpose of the IFR is to protect the offense from a cheap double play, not provide a gift out to the defense that they cannot execute well enough to earn." {end of crap from DC}
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Old Tue Jul 12, 2011, 02:23pm
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It is the responsability of each player and coach to be aware of the IFR. Just because umpires either fail to call the IFR when in effect, or call the IFR in error when it is not in effect makes no difference. Keep the ball live and play on.
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Old Tue Jul 12, 2011, 03:15pm
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Place the batter at 1st and be ready to eat a lot of crap from the defensive coach.
This.
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 12:27am
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I would agree...

put the batter at 1st base, leave the runner at second and play on.

Unfortunately, in this case the umpire crew called a "mulligan" and allowed the batter to bat again. He promptly hit a two run walk-off home run.

OUCH!!!
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 07:02am
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It is the responsability of each player and coach to be aware of the IFR. Just because umpires either fail to call the IFR when in effect, or call the IFR in error when it is not in effect makes no difference. Keep the ball live and play on.
It makes a lot of difference. Failure to call IF is one thing, which must be rectified, but to call IF when it does NOT apply puts the offense in jeopardy. The correct call is to put the BR on 1st and keep the runner on second. But to do what you say is leading to a protestable situation.
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 09:57am
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put the batter at 1st base, leave the runner at second and play on.

Unfortunately, in this case the umpire crew called a "mulligan" and allowed the batter to bat again. He promptly hit a two run walk-off home run.

OUCH!!!
OUCH is right!!!!!

I can't believe nobody questioned this "resolution"??????
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 12:57pm
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"Coach, the purpose of the IFR is to protect the offense from a cheap double play, not provide a gift out to the defense that they cannot execute well enough to earn." {end of crap from DC}
Yes...because well-reasoned and logical explanations always put an end to any arguments from a ticked-off coach who is arguing about something he shouldn't be arguing about in the first place!
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 01:00pm
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Yes...because well-reasoned and logical explanations always put an end to any arguments from a ticked-off coach who is arguing about something he shouldn't be arguing about in the first place!
I know what youi mean!!
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 01:44pm
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Yes...because well-reasoned and logical explanations always put an end to any arguments from a ticked-off coach who is arguing about something he shouldn't be arguing about in the first place!
Well, if it doesn't, then maybe he hears about how the game ended from his assistant!
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 04:25pm
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you can't unring a bell.
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Old Wed Jul 13, 2011, 06:24pm
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you can't unring a bell.
What bell would that be?
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