Are base runners always protected on a illegal pitch?

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I don't recall the thread, but I have an opinion.

If you saw that, then you are looking at the wrong thing.

Leaving early on a pitch just isn't a LBR violation; it is leaving early on the pitch. Different rule citation (on the road, cannot cite the specifics).

If this helps.....
ASA....
Runner fails to keep contact w/base...8.7.s LookBackRule...8.7.t

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

If this helps.....
ASA....
Runner fails to keep contact w/base...8.7.s LookBackRule...8.7.t

I'll grant you that they are different rules.

However, when does LBR stop applying and failing to keep contact with the base start applying?

[MD Longhorn]

Exactly. These two rules have always been redundant (well, one of them, at least). Same infraction, same penalty. No need to say it twice.

[roadking]

Kind of were I was going with my question is, on a IP does the ball become dead on a called ball on the batter or can the base runners attempt a steal in hopes of drawing a bad throw to keep advancing?

[marvin]

Originally Posted by roadking

Kind of were I was going with my question is, on a IP does the ball become dead on a called ball on the batter or can the base runners attempt a steal in hopes of drawing a bad throw to keep advancing?

NFHS - The coach does not have a choice of the penalty or the play unless the batter does not hit the ball (fair or foul) or otherwise become a base runner.

6-2-2 EXCEPTION: If the pitcher completes the delivery of the ball to the batter and the batter hits the ball fair or foul, or becomes a base runner, the coach of the team at bat shall have the option of the result of the play or the penalty for an illegal pitch. A delayed dead ball will be signaled by the umpire by extending the left arm horizontally.

[roadking]

Originally Posted by marvin

NFHS - The coach does not have a choice of the penalty or the play unless the batter does not hit the ball (fair or foul) or otherwise become a base runner.

Ok,
Then on a hit and run (swing and miss), baserunner takes off for second and draws a bad throw form catcher, baserunner advances to third.

Options for the offence:
*Take the results and keep runner on third.
*Take the ball on batter and put runner back on second.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by roadking

Ok,
Then on a hit and run (swing and miss), baserunner takes off for second and draws a bad throw form catcher, baserunner advances to third.

Options for the offence:
*Take the results and keep runner on third.
*Take the ball on batter and put runner back on second.

Did the batter become a batter runner in your example?
NO.

No choice, send the runner back to second and award a ball.


NFHS 6-2-2
EXCEPTION: If the pitcher completes the delivery of the ball to the batter and the batter hits the ball fair or foul, or becomes a base runner, the coach of the team at bat shall have the option of the result of the play or the penalty for an illegal pitch. A delayed dead ball will be signaled by the umpire by extending the left arm horizontally.