Need NSA Expert

[marvin]

Who the courtesy runner is in NSA is a lottery based on the last out.

When the pitcher or catcher reaches the coach can use or not use the CR, if that player's spot comes up and they are on base they just miss their turn.

It does not happen often, and mostly in a game where a team is scoring a lot. I have seen it hurt and help the team batting.

The CR is intended to speed up the game, so inserting and then removing a player as a CR goes against that. It also prevents a coach from using speedy Betty as a runner, but still having the option for her to bat if her turn comes up.

There are rules in every rule set that I disagree with, don't understand the reason for, or just think are nuts. They are still the rules. We don't get to pick and choose, you apply the rules as they are written or just don't work those games.

[DaveASA/FED]

Originally Posted by marvin

There are rules in every rule set that I disagree with, don't understand the reason for, or just think are nuts. They are still the rules. We don't get to pick and choose, you apply the rules as they are written or just don't work those games.

Or just don't have your daughter play in a tournament that uses those rules

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Or just don't have your daughter play in a tournament that uses those rules

Would love to have daughter's team only play ASA. But when state ASA decides to only run tournaments later in the year....basically after June 1st........it makes it sorta tough.

[robbie]

Originally Posted by marvin

Who the courtesy runner is in NSA is a lottery based on the last out.

True, but another legal option is "any player not currently in the game"

This is not considered a substitution if declared as a CR.

Additionally, the "Player not currently in the game" may be a player who has already been re-entered and subbed for meaning she has no more re-entry rights. As long as she is not currently in the game, she can CR.

[marvin]

Originally Posted by robbie

True, but another legal option is "any player not currently in the game"

This is not considered a substitution if declared as a CR.

Additionally, the "Player not currently in the game" may be a player who has already been re-entered and subbed for meaning she has no more re-entry rights. As long as she is not currently in the game, she can CR.

robbie,

But those options (which are legal) don't use a player currently in the batting order, so there is no potential to skip someone in the batting order.

[robbie]

Originally Posted by marvin

robbie,

But those options (which are legal) don't use a player currently in the batting order, so there is no potential to skip someone in the batting order.

Oh, of course. I was just clarifying the NSA rule since it was being commented on.

[Bandit]

In summary.
NSA Courtesy runner.
A) Can be last out.
B) If last out was the pitcher or catcher you can go back one more out
C) If you have eligible subs they can courtesy run and not affect their substitution privileges.

QUESTION….Can they substitute in the same ½ inning they courtesy run?

D) If you have a player sitting on the bench and she has “used up” her substitution privileges…..been in the game twice…..she can still be used as a courtesy runner.
E) If a player currently in the batting order is used as a courtesy runner and her turn at bat returns while she is on base the coach may:
1) Courtesy runner remains on base, and loses turn at bat with no penalty, and next batter is batter following that position.
2) Courtesy runner may be replaced on base by the player being run for, and then taking their turn at bat.
F) No player may be used as courtesy runner twice in the same inning. If the situation arises that a player HAS already run as a courtesy runner in the same inning you “go back” one more “out” to obtain a legal courtesy runner.

Have I missed anything?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Bandit

In summary.
NSA Courtesy runner.
A) Can be last out.
B) If last out was the pitcher or catcher you can go back one more out
C) If you have eligible subs they can courtesy run and not affect their substitution privileges.

QUESTION….Can they substitute in the same ½ inning they courtesy run?

D) If you have a player sitting on the bench and she has “used up” her substitution privileges…..been in the game twice…..she can still be used as a courtesy runner.
E) If a player currently in the batting order is used as a courtesy runner and her turn at bat returns while she is on base the coach may:
1) Courtesy runner remains on base, and loses turn at bat with no penalty, and next batter is batter following that position.
2) Courtesy runner may be replaced on base by the player being run for, and then taking their turn at bat.
F) No player may be used as courtesy runner twice in the same inning. If the situation arises that a player HAS already run as a courtesy runner in the same inning you “go back” one more “out” to obtain a legal courtesy runner.

Have I missed anything?

What a mess.

[marvin]

Originally Posted by Bandit

In summary.
NSA Courtesy runner.
A) Can be last out. YES
B) If last out was the pitcher or catcher you can go back one more out YES, but you can use the pitcher or catcher as a CR for the other position
C) If you have eligible subs they can courtesy run and not affect their substitution privileges. YES

QUESTION….Can they substitute in the same ½ inning they courtesy run? YES

D) If you have a player sitting on the bench and she has “used up” her substitution privileges…..been in the game twice…..she can still be used as a courtesy runner. YES
E) If a player currently in the batting order is used as a courtesy runner and her turn at bat returns while she is on base the coach may:
1) Courtesy runner remains on base, and loses turn at bat with no penalty, and next batter is batter following that position. YES
2) Courtesy runner may be replaced on base by the player being run for, and then taking their turn at bat. YES
F) No player may be used as courtesy runner twice in the same inning. If the situation arises that a player HAS already run as a courtesy runner in the same inning you “go back” one more “out” to obtain a legal courtesy runner. YES

Have I missed anything?

See answers in bold. The apply to youth fast pitch only.

You can simplify this all to:

The player who made the last out or a player not currently in the game can be a courtesy runner.

It is simpler to administer than it looks and if the coach or scorekeeper is keeping track it does speed the game up.