Dropped third strike?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by clev1967

I have no problem using proper rulebook terminology when in a formal setting such as a clinic. But in normal conversation I am going to use what I use and for sure not going to chastise someone for not using "umpire-ese"

Referring strictly to the paragraph above.

I find that when among folks that are not familiar with the proper terminology is the one time an umpire should be sure to use the correct words, phrases and rule citations.

How are they to learn if you fall into their world of inappropriate use of terms? I'm not suggesting an umpire correct them, but to respond with the appropriate terms, phrases and citations. Doing otherwise just creates confusion and frustration among the players when the encounter those who do it right. Don't believe me, ask those who have UIC a national tournament how many questions they get about "perceived" rules because that is what "Ol' Smitty" back home has been telling them for years.

One of my pet peeves is an umpire that calls pitches "deep" in the SP game especially if they make a motion over the shoulder with it. This is a serious issue when it comes to umpires who call the games and strike zones properly. It is either a ball or a strike. Don't think the word "deep" ever appears in the rules, yet hundreds of umpires, players and fans routinely use it even though there is no value to the term, but someone probably gets ejected every day because of the frustration felt when umpires will not call it "their way".

It is a disservice to the teams and fellow officials to not be professional which includes the proper usage of terms and phrases.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Referring strictly to the paragraph above.

I find that when among folks that are not familiar with the proper terminology is the one time an umpire should be sure to use the correct words, phrases and rule citations.

How are they to learn if you fall into their world of inappropriate use of terms? I'm not suggesting an umpire correct them, but to respond with the appropriate terms, phrases and citations. Doing otherwise just creates confusion and frustration among the players when the encounter those who do it right. Don't believe me, ask those who have UIC a national tournament how many questions they get about "perceived" rules because that is what "Ol' Smitty" back home has been telling them for years.

One of my pet peeves is an umpire that calls pitches "deep" in the SP game especially if they make a motion over the shoulder with it. This is a serious issue when it comes to umpires who call the games and strike zones properly. It is either a ball or a strike. Don't think the word "deep" ever appears in the rules, yet hundreds of umpires, players and fans routinely use it even though there is no value to the term, but someone probably gets ejected every day because of the frustration felt when umpires will not call it "their way".

It is a disservice to the teams and fellow officials to not be professional which includes the proper usage of terms and phrases.

I've already found that it is best to avoid the "leap" and "crow hop" terms with coaches and stick to "replant".

Rita

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rita C

I've already found that it is best to avoid the "leap" and "crow hop" terms with coaches and stick to "replant".

Rita

Why? Each is a separate act and violations and referring to them as the same is often the cause of consternation among officials.

Folks ignorant of the rules like the term "crow hop" and use it for almost everything they think is an illegal pitcher.

In the opposite direction, I find that the TH doing softball on TV often mention "leaping" immediately upon any called IP before they even look at it on replay. A fair amount of time they are correct. However, there are times when while watching the replay, they talk about the "leap" when the it is evident that the pitcher replanted which is a crow hop, not a leap. But they rarely let the facts get in the way of a strong, yet incorrect, comment.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Why? Each is a separate act and violations and referring to them as the same is often the cause of consternation among officials.

Folks ignorant of the rules like the term "crow hop" and use it for almost everything they think is an illegal pitcher.

In the opposite direction, I find that the TH doing softball on TV often mention "leaping" immediately upon any called IP before they even look at it on replay. A fair amount of time they are correct. However, there are times when while watching the replay, they talk about the "leap" when the it is evident that the pitcher replanted which is a crow hop, not a leap. But they rarely let the facts get in the way of a strong, yet incorrect, comment.

Why? Because I think the coaches have their own definitions as well.

Rita

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Why? Because I think the coaches have their own definitions as well.

Rita

So you perpetuate ignorance?

Would you refer to an IP in a softball game as a balk if that is what the coach believes it is?

Do you rule interference on an OBS call because that is what the players think it is?

Nope, cannot agree with you. Next thing you know, you will be referring to R3 as the runner on 3B, R2 as the runner on 2B or R1 as the runner on 1B.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So you perpetuate ignorance?

Would you refer to an IP in a softball game as a balk if that is what the coach believes it is?

Do you rule interference on an OBS call because that is what the players think it is?

Nope, cannot agree with you. Next thing you know, you will be referring to R3 as the runner on 3B, R2 as the runner on 2B or R1 as the runner on 1B.

Nope. Just keeping things simple. It doesn't really matter how you want to call the replant. It's simply a replant. I haven't seen consistency in the definition of a crowhop yet. Or in the calling of it.

Rita

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Nope. Just keeping things simple. It doesn't really matter how you want to call the replant. It's simply a replant. I haven't seen consistency in the definition of a crowhop yet. Or in the calling of it.

Rita

I've already found that it is best to avoid the "leap" and "crow hop" terms with coaches and stick to "replant".

Rita


And a leap? You do know it is not the same thing as a crow hop, don't you?

[jr131981]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So you perpetuate ignorance?

Would you refer to an IP in a softball game as a balk if that is what the coach believes it is?

Do you rule interference on an OBS call because that is what the players think it is?

Nope, cannot agree with you. Next thing you know, you will be referring to R3 as the runner on 3B, R2 as the runner on 2B or R1 as the runner on 1B.

i never understood why softball went out of their way to add an extra step in describing the runners by using "RX is on Y base" when you could just use the baseball way and simply say "RX" where X is the base they are on. in case i didnt now write that well, why make the description of the runners longer and potentially more confusing. 1st and 3rd sounds a lot easy and better saying "R1 R3" than saying "R1 on thirdbase and R2 on firstbase"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jr131981

i never understood why softball went out of their way to add an extra step in describing the runners by using "RX is on Y base" when you could just use the baseball way and simply say "RX" where X is the base they are on. in case i didnt now write that well, why make the description of the runners longer and potentially more confusing. 1st and 3rd sounds a lot easy and better saying "R1 R3" than saying "R1 on thirdbase and R2 on firstbase"

By designating a player by the manner in which they participated in the game/inning you can have a continual scenario without changing a player's designation.

In baseball, if bases are loaded and each runner advances a base, R2 is now R3, R1 is R2 and the BR which was the B is now R1. In softball, B4 becomes a BR and then is R4. This indicates that R4 was the 4th batter of that inning and no matter what happens, will be designated by the "4" throughout the inning.

It also make sense that one comes before two, two comes before three, etc.

I find this much easier to follow when going through scenarios.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by jr131981

i never understood why softball went out of their way to add an extra step in describing the runners by using "RX is on Y base" when you could just use the baseball way and simply say "RX" where X is the base they are on. in case i didnt now write that well, why make the description of the runners longer and potentially more confusing. 1st and 3rd sounds a lot easy and better saying "R1 R3" than saying "R1 on thirdbase and R2 on firstbase"

The argument over which is better is irrelevant. I didn't invent the softball nomenclature, and it is unlikely to change. Therefore, use it when discussing softball scenarios. To do otherwise disrespects the game and hints of elitism.