Pitcher's glove

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

I total agree with your Rant...

But you miss understood me / or you just wanted to scream and yell about uniforms. Which are my thoughts to the letter.

I have refused to take the field with slobs. Also I never have been dinged for my uniform in 30 years. My pride in my uniform comes from my time in the military.

I have refused to let umpires work because of their equipment.

As I was saying by my statement where does it say that I have to wear my jacket if my partner does?

Yet I keep hearing this old wives tale, if your partner wears their jacket you have too.

Time to put in in the book that it not required that you wear a jacket if your partner does. That you can wear anything that is proper uniform instead, shirt, sweater, or pullover.

Rant off.

Well, I don't want it in the book because I want that option as a tournament UIC and I don't need to get an argument about the "book".

And here is why. I have seen and had arguments about an umpire who will not wear a jacket, but will wear long-sleeve undershirt, sweater, sweat shirt, even a denim shirt under the uniform shirt. If it is that chilly you need that, you should be wearing a jacket, not looking like some college kid working an intramural game.

Whether you liked it or not, the old school NUS made sure that a crew on the field looked like a professional umpire.

And how timely this is. I received a call from a BASEBALL umpire complaining about how raggedy two umpires looked when they showed up to work a HS varsity game yesterday afternoon.

Yes, you heard me correctly. A baseball umpire working the HS baseball game called to inform me how unprofessional and disheveled both members of the softball crew appeared. Granted, this game was going to be a joke, but I don't care if the umpire is there for the money, game, vocation or just to piss away an afternoon, you should wear a proper and clean uniform which makes your fellow umpires proud to be associated with them.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, I don't want it in the book because I want that option as a tournament UIC and I don't need to get an argument about the "book".

And here is why. I have seen and had arguments about an umpire who will not wear a jacket, but will wear long-sleeve undershirt, sweater, sweat shirt, even a denim shirt under the uniform shirt. If it is that chilly you need that, you should be wearing a jacket, not looking like some college kid working an intramural game.

Whether you liked it or not, the old school NUS made sure that a crew on the field looked like a professional umpire.

And how timely this is. I received a call from a BASEBALL umpire complaining about how raggedy two umpires looked when they showed up to work a HS varsity game yesterday afternoon.

Yes, you heard me correctly. A baseball umpire working the HS baseball game called to inform me how unprofessional and disheveled both members of the softball crew appeared. Granted, this game was going to be a joke, but I don't care if the umpire is there for the money, game, vocation or just to piss away an afternoon, you should wear a proper and clean uniform which makes your fellow umpires proud to be associated with them.

Yeah, Yeah!

(add that to the list of annoying things - Umpires who dress to their perceived expectations of the quality of play)

[marvin]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

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And here is why. I have seen and had arguments about an umpire who will not wear a jacket, but will wear long-sleeve undershirt, sweater, sweat shirt, even a denim shirt under the uniform shirt. If it is that chilly you need that, you should be wearing a jacket, not looking like some college kid working an intramural game.

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You need to address the improper elements of the uniform with the person who is not dressed correctly. A blanket rule requiring all umps to wear a jacket if one does doesn't address the slobs - their shoes still won't be shined, their pants will probably not fit properly or be clean and un-wrinkled, and letting them put a jacket on to cover improper attire isn't the correct way to deal with this.

Making both umps wear a jacket when one does not need it for comfort is silly IMO. Making both umpires adhere to the proper dress code and to be professional in their appearance can be done without going to this extreme.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by marvin

You need to address the improper elements of the uniform with the person who is not dressed correctly. A blanket rule requiring all umps to wear a jacket if one does doesn't address the slobs - their shoes still won't be shined, their pants will probably not fit properly or be clean and un-wrinkled, and letting them put a jacket on to cover improper attire isn't the correct way to deal with this.

Making both umps wear a jacket when one does not need it for comfort is silly IMO. Making both umpires adhere to the proper dress code and to be professional in their appearance can be done without going to this extreme.

Don't know if you missed my point here, but it was that if it is cold enought to wear inappropriate attire, it is cold enough to wear the appropriate attire along with your partner.

As previously noted, I do not expect someone who is cold to go without just because his/her partner thinks it is manly to go without a jacket like those Cheeseheads (that's for you, Dave). OTOH, if it is that cold, I would rather have the umpires in matching uniforms. Again, I'm not asking an umpire to wear unnecessary apparel, just look professional in the appropriate uniform.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Don't know if you missed my point here, but it was that if it is cold enought to wear inappropriate attire, it is cold enough to wear the appropriate attire along with your partner.

As previously noted, I do not expect someone who is cold to go without just because his/her partner thinks it is manly to go without a jacket like those Cheeseheads (that's for you, Dave). OTOH, if it is that cold, I would rather have the umpires in matching uniforms. Again, I'm not asking an umpire to wear unnecessary apparel, just look professional in the appropriate uniform.

I think I'm not the only one who's having trouble following what your position is. So maybe you could break it down for me.

Sit: It's a chilly morning but it'swarming up and I've just done a game behind the plate. I go change for a base game and come back without my jacket because I'm nice and warm. You're a little more sensitive to the cold than me and are wearing a jacket.

Do you think this ok? Do I need to go get my jacket and be too warm? Do you need to go hang up your jacket?
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[Tru_in_Blu]

In NH our NFHS guideline is that if the PU is wearing a jacket, the BU should be also.

However, if the PU decides not to wear a jacket, the BU still has the option of wearing one.

I guess the rationale is that perhaps w/ leg guards and chest protector, that may help to insulate the PU.

Not sure about everywhere else, but some fields have one position that's sunny and another that's in the shade [primarily in A, but that can change somewhat in the later innings when the sun gets low]. For me, the wind is what makes it toughest. Warm at times, but too chilly when that wind whips up.

Oh, BTW, I thought the picture of the glove had 3 colors: red, blue/black, and white. The white "lacing" looked to be additional design and not real lacing on the pocked area of the glove.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Oh, BTW, I thought the picture of the glove had 3 colors: red, blue/black, and white. The white "lacing" looked to be additional design and not real lacing on the pocked area of the glove.

NFHS: 1-4-1a expressly excludes the color of the lacing from being counted as one of the colors. Can we as umpires ever really know whether or not the lacing is "real" or "decorative"? If it's lacing, I'm not worried about its color.

[MrRabbit]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

NFHS: 1-4-1a expressly excludes the color of the lacing from being counted as one of the colors. Can we as umpires ever really know whether or not the lacing is "real" or "decorative"? If it's lacing, I'm not worried about its color.

If it's lacing, I'm not worried about its color.

That is not entirely true it can not be the color of the ball or used to be woven in a patten that looks like the ball.

Rule 1, section 4, a and c

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by youngump

I think I'm not the only one who's having trouble following what your position is. So maybe you could break it down for me.

Sit: It's a chilly morning but it'swarming up and I've just done a game behind the plate. I go change for a base game and come back without my jacket because I'm nice and warm. You're a little more sensitive to the cold than me and are wearing a jacket.

Do you think this ok? Do I need to go get my jacket and be too warm? Do you need to go hang up your jacket?

Don't see what is so difficult about understanding the difference of looking like **** as opposed to professional.

Removing a jacket because you are now too hot is not the same as doing it just to show off or be an *******, partner be damned, or as an alternative to wearing inappropriate clothing.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Don't see what is so difficult about understanding the difference of looking like **** as opposed to professional.

Removing a jacket because you are now too hot is not the same as doing it just to show off or be an *******, partner be damned, or as an alternative to wearing inappropriate clothing.

The difficulty is not in my understanding but your communicating. I'm not really so certain why you are so worked up about this, but I do not comprehend what you are trying to say. To make things clearer, I gave you a simple set of three questions that would allow me to clearly understand your position. If you want to continue try and persuade me of something, you'll have to answer them.
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[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Don't see what is so difficult about understanding the difference of looking like **** as opposed to professional.

Removing a jacket because you are now too hot is not the same as doing it just to show off or be an *******, partner be damned, or as an alternative to wearing inappropriate clothing.

Mike, I think it was you who took it in that direction. I pointed out that in the set of pictures, the base umpire was wearing a short sleeve shirt, and the plate umpire was wearing a jacket. Why this was, no one knows, but I do think that both were dressed professionally, and both exhibited good mechanics (from what we can gather on still photos). It seems the majority of those on the board agree that this is fine, that dressed "a like" was not influenced by who wears a jacket and who wears a shirt. And everyone will agree that looking sloppy in a shirt and/or jacket is totally unprofessional.

You maintain that if you are cold, you are wearing a jacket--That you will not be cold because some "Cheesehead" wants to flaunt their guns (of course, I'm paraphrasing). That's fine. But Youngump gave you the reverse: why must someone be uncomfortably hot because you are sensitive to lower temperatures? I have been on that side of it, as my partner (who's heritage is, well, lets say in the south Pacific) was cold. And the UIC required (yes, required!) me to also have on a jacket. It was May and at least 65 degrees.

Simple solution: Professional attire has a range of style/approved uniforms that can be appropriately paired together. Case in point: yesterday, I drove from rainy/snow in Happy Valley to Steeltown, USA, where It was 60 and sunny (with a brisk wind). I was on the plate, too hot for either of my jackets, too cool for my short sleeve. But there is one more option: the long sleeve. That was perfect on the plate. However, my partner, who refuses to buy a long sleeve, wore a jacket. Trust me, we both were professionally dressed to the letter. This didn't have anything to do with showing off; it had all to do with comfort. We had a great game . . for 3 1/2 innings . . . until the hail storm

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Mike, I think it was you who took it in that direction. I pointed out that in the set of pictures, the base umpire was wearing a short sleeve shirt, and the plate umpire was wearing a jacket. Why this was, no one knows, but I do think that both were dressed professionally, and both exhibited good mechanics (from what we can gather on still photos).

And to me it looked like the BU was wearing a sweater.

It seems the majority of those on the board agree that this is fine, that dressed "a like" was not influenced by who wears a jacket and who wears a shirt. And everyone will agree that looking sloppy in a shirt and/or jacket is totally unprofessional.

Absolutely

You maintain that if you are cold, you are wearing a jacket--That you will not be cold because some "Cheesehead" wants to flaunt their guns (of course, I'm paraphrasing). That's fine. But Youngump gave you the reverse: why must someone be uncomfortably hot because you are sensitive to lower temperatures? I have been on that side of it, as my partner (who's heritage is, well, lets say in the south Pacific) was cold. And the UIC required (yes, required!) me to also have on a jacket. It was May and at least 65 degrees.

To me, that is a problem between you and your UIC(s) , but if it is overcast or in the shade and when you get to my age, you will be wearing a jacket doing FP. Then again, you are making enough money, why not have two jackets, one windbreaker and one lined for warmth? Then again, I bet you are wearing a pullover, too, which IMO is just not wearer-friendly in marginal temperatures.

Simple solution: Professional attire has a range of style/approved uniforms that can be appropriately paired together. Case in point: yesterday, I drove from rainy/snow in Happy Valley to Steeltown, USA, where It was 60 and sunny (with a brisk wind). I was on the plate, too hot for either of my jackets, too cool for my short sleeve. But there is one more option: the long sleeve. That was perfect on the plate. However, my partner, who refuses to buy a long sleeve, wore a jacket. Trust me, we both were professionally dressed to the letter. This didn't have anything to do with showing off; it had all to do with comfort. We had a great game . . for 3 1/2 innings . . . until the hail storm

Well, you keep using a word that I just don't believe should be pertinent, style. Pfffft!

I do believe with partners dressing alike, it is part of being UNIFORM. It looks professional and I don't give a damn if it meets anyone's perception of style, that isn't why you are on the field.

There are time when an exception may be necessary. HOWEVER, that is what it is, an exception.