Illegal Pitch / Runner leaves early

[DaveASA/FED]

From the NFHS 2011 Intrepretations page:

SITUATION 7: B2 is at bat with R1 on first base. F1 begins her wind up and then holds onto the ball instead of releasing it toward B2. R1 leaves first base anticipating that F1 will release the pitch. RULING: A pitching and base-running infraction have occurred at virtually the same time and both are penalized. R1 is out for leaving the base before release of the pitch; an illegal pitch is called on F1 for failing to deliver the pitch, which results in a ball being awarded to B2. However, if in the umpire’s judgment, F1’s act was deliberate to bait and deceive R1 into leaving the base early, the umpire shall call “time” and “no pitch.” The umpire shall eject F1 and/or the head coach from the game. If the umpire believes the coach is directly responsible for the actions of F1, the umpire may eject only the coach. The defensive team is attempting to benefit by circumventing the rules. R1 is obliged to stay in contact with the base until the ball is released by the pitcher; however, the tactic being utilized by the defense is deceptive and not in accordance with the spirit of fair play. (3-6-13b, c; 6-2-1; 8-6-21)

So there is some intrep for intent to cause the offense to leave early where the umpire could not call the runner out based on F1's actions.
Link to info
http://www.nfhs.org/content.aspx?id=4604

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

From the NFHS 2011 Intrepretations page:

SITUATION 7: B2 is at bat with R1 on first base. F1 begins her wind up and then holds onto the ball instead of releasing it toward B2. R1 leaves first base anticipating that F1 will release the pitch.
RULING: A pitching and base-running infraction have occurred at virtually the same time and both are penalized.
R1 is out for leaving the base before release of the pitch; an illegal pitch is called on F1 for failing to deliver the pitch, which results in a ball being awarded to B2. However, if in the umpire’s judgment, F1’s act was deliberate to bait and deceive R1 into leaving the base early, the umpire shall call “time” and “no pitch.” The umpire shall eject F1 and/or the head coach from the game. If the umpire believes the coach is directly responsible for the actions of F1, the umpire may eject only the coach. The defensive team is attempting to benefit by circumventing the rules. R1 is obliged to stay in contact with the base until the ball is released by the pitcher; however, the tactic being utilized by the defense is deceptive and not in accordance with the spirit of fair play. (3-6-13b, c; 6-2-1; 8-6-21)

So there is some intrep for intent to cause the offense to leave early where the umpire could not call the runner out based on F1's actions.
Link to info
NFHS | 2011 NFHS Softball Rules Interpretations

Not that anyone cares, but I'd still like to negate the out without having to eject the pitcher!

[robbie]

Well - Here's how I look at it.......

F1 steps on pitcher's plate with hands together
U indicates illegal pitch and puts left arm out.
Pitcher continues into wind up and begins the pitch.
R1 leaves before release of the pitch
U indicated "dead ball" as F1 finishes delivery to F2.
U asks O coach if he would like rusult of the play (R1 out for leaving early, No pitch)
Or take the penalty for IP (ball on batter, R1 to second)
Simple.........
Play ball

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by robbie

Well - Here's how I look at it.......

F1 steps on pitcher's plate with hands together
U indicates illegal pitch and puts left arm out.
Pitcher continues into wind up and begins the pitch.
R1 leaves before release of the pitch
U indicated "dead ball" as F1 finishes delivery to F2.
U asks O coach if he would like rusult of the play (R1 out for leaving early, No pitch)
Or take the penalty for IP (ball on batter, R1 to second)
Simple.........
Play ball

Unfortunately, according to the references, that is not the way NFHS (or ASA for that matter) looks at it.

[txtrooper]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Not that anyone cares, but I'd still like to negate the out without having to eject the pitcher!

"If the umpire believes the coach is directly responsible for the actions of F1, the umpire may eject only the coach."

Hugo, from reading the rule it looks like you may be able to do so, if you believe the coach is directly responsible.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Saint

Isn't that fastpitch can run earlier and slowpitch can't?
But both I run earlier too. >0< lol.

In fastpitch, the runner may lose contact with their base once the pitch is released.

In slowpitch, the runner may lose contact with their base once the pitched ball touches the ground, reaches home plate, or is batted.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by txtrooper

"If the umpire believes the coach is directly responsible for the actions of F1, the umpire may eject only the coach."

Hugo, from reading the rule it looks like you may be able to do so, if you believe the coach is directly responsible.

I don't want to eject anybody!

I can easily envision a situation where there was no intent to deceive or bait.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Not that anyone cares, but I'd still like to negate the out without having to eject the pitcher!

If you don't read intent into the action by F1, you dont have to eject. F1 could of farted during the backswing and froze up for a second for all we know.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

If you don't read intent into the action by F1, you dont have to eject. F1 could of farted during the backswing and froze up for a second for all we know.

But you do have to call the runner out and you have to call the IP, don't you?

[SNIPERBBB]

Yes.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Yes.

And that's my point...

[SNIPERBBB]

...and you still don't have to eject anyone if you don't read intent.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

If you don't read intent into the action by F1, you dont have to eject. F1 could of farted during the backswing and froze up for a second for all we know.

I ain't getting close enough to make THAT call!

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I ain't getting close enough to make THAT call!

If the wind is right(or wrong) you wont need too lol.