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[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

There are some associations (USSSA, for one) that do award bases based on where runners were at the time of the pitch. While that doesn't apply to your sitch, you can kind of understand where some of these half-brained ideas come from.

According to 8.7.F.Effect in the current USSSA FP Rules Book, the proper award should be two bases from the time of the throw. Don't know about USSSA SP.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

According to 8.7.F.Effect in the current USSSA FP Rules Book, the proper award should be two bases from the time of the throw. Don't know about USSSA SP.

Here's where:

USSSA 8-5: Baserunners are entitled to advance without liability to be put out:
e. When the ball is in play and is overthrown (beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked.
EFFECT: Awarded bases shall be determined by the position of the baserunners at the time of the infraction.
EFFECT: For offensive equipment or an offensive player causing a blocked ball, the player closest to home plate is declared out, and all other runners must return to the last base touched when the ball becomes blocked.
1. The ball is dead. In all cases where a thrown ball goes into the spectators’ seats, goes over, through, or under any fence surrounding the playing field; hits any person or object not engaged in the game, including bats lying near benches, goes into the players benches, whether the ball rebounds onto the playing field or not, or remains in the meshes of any wire screen, each and every baserunner shall be awarded two (2) bases.
2. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two (2) bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one (1) base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners, when the wild throw was made.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Here's where:

8-5 covers batters awarded 1st base.

There is no 8-7-f.

8-14-c covers two base awards and includes
3. "3. If a live thrown ball (not by a pitcher from the pitcher’s plate as in item D) goes into a stand for spectators, or a players’ bench, or over or through or lodges in a fence."

8-15 covers the timing and 8-15-c says "The time the ball left the hand of the thrower (in any situation other than A or B). A and B cover non-overthow cases.

source: USSSA fast pitch rulebook, 9th edition
http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-gen...010FPRules.pdf

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

8-5 covers batters awarded 1st base.

There is no 8-7-f.

8-14-c covers two base awards and includes
3. "3. If a live thrown ball (not by a pitcher from the pitcher’s plate as in item D) goes into a stand for spectators, or a players’ bench, or over or through or lodges in a fence."

8-15 covers the timing and 8-15-c says "The time the ball left the hand of the thrower (in any situation other than A or B). A and B cover non-overthow cases.

source: USSSA fast pitch rulebook, 9th edition
http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-gen...010FPRules.pdf

Right. That's the FP version. I was quoting the SP version.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Right. That's the FP version. I was quoting the SP version.

Well....who umpires SP????

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

There is no 8-7-f.


http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-gen...010FPRules.pdf

I was using an old casebook. Guess the rule number has changed.