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Skahtboi Thu Oct 14, 2010 09:18am
Still learning...
 
...I have learned some valuable lessons the past couple of nights of working fall ball, and just wanted to pass them along to you so that you can have this knowledge first hand. I don't know what we would do without coaches and fans.

First, on a thrown ball that ends up in dead ball territory, did you know that you make awards according to the time of the pitch, rather than the time of the throw? And to think, all of these years I have been using the runners' positions at the time of the throw. Silly me.

On another play, I had my partner come to me for a pulled foot at first. (I was PU of course.) There was none, told him as much. Third out. As the coach from third comes walking by he loudly states "Did you even see the play? Thought not." He said it pretty much as one statement. I stopped him, informed him that not only did I see, and have a great vantage point, but that if he attempts to show up either myself or my partner again, he would be watching the rest of the game from the parking lot. His reply, "you can't do that. I am entirely within my rights to say anything about any call either of you make." I agreed that he was within his rights, and that I would be within mine according to the rule book when I sent him packing. Never heard another word the rest of the night.

NCASAUmp Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 696305)
...I have learned some valuable lessons the past couple of nights of working fall ball, and just wanted to pass them along to you so that you can have this knowledge first hand. I don't know what we would do without coaches and fans.

First, on a thrown ball that ends up in dead ball territory, did you know that you make awards according to the time of the pitch, rather than the time of the throw? And to think, all of these years I have been using the runners' positions at the time of the throw. Silly me.
There are some associations (USSSA, for one) that do award bases based on where runners were at the time of the pitch. While that doesn't apply to your sitch, you can kind of understand where some of these half-brained ideas come from.

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 696305)
On another play, I had my partner come to me for a pulled foot at first. (I was PU of course.) There was none, told him as much. Third out. As the coach from third comes walking by he loudly states "Did you even see the play? Thought not." He said it pretty much as one statement. I stopped him, informed him that not only did I see, and have a great vantage point, but that if he attempts to show up either myself or my partner again, he would be watching the rest of the game from the parking lot. His reply, "you can't do that. I am entirely within my rights to say anything about any call either of you make." I agreed that he was within his rights, and that I would be within mine according to the rule book when I sent him packing. Never heard another word the rest of the night.
Good call, Blue. :D

Welpe Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:14am
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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 696305)
First, on a thrown ball that ends up in dead ball territory, did you know that you make awards according to the time of the pitch, rather than the time of the throw? And to think, all of these years I have been using the runners' positions at the time of the throw. Silly me.
What are you thinking by not applying a baseball rule to a softball game? :)

Skahtboi Thu Oct 14, 2010 01:00pm
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 696318)
What are you thinking by not applying a baseball rule to a softball game? :)
:rolleyes:

Skahtboi Thu Oct 14, 2010 01:10pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 696317)
There are some associations (USSSA, for one) that do award bases based on where runners were at the time of the pitch. While that doesn't apply to your sitch, you can kind of understand where some of these half-brained ideas come from.

According to 8.7.F.Effect in the current USSSA FP Rules Book, the proper award should be two bases from the time of the throw. Don't know about USSSA SP.

CecilOne Thu Oct 14, 2010 01:34pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 696317)
There are some associations (USSSA, for one) that do award bases based on where runners were at the time of the pitch.
sez hoo ? ;)

Welpe Thu Oct 14, 2010 02:25pm
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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 696353)
:rolleyes:
So ambiguous. :D

Were these baseball coaches masquerading as softball parents?

NCASAUmp Thu Oct 14, 2010 03:13pm
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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 696357)
According to 8.7.F.Effect in the current USSSA FP Rules Book, the proper award should be two bases from the time of the throw. Don't know about USSSA SP.
Here's where:
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USSSA 8-5: Baserunners are entitled to advance without liability to be put out:
e. When the ball is in play and is overthrown (beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked.
EFFECT: Awarded bases shall be determined by the position of the baserunners at the time of the infraction.
EFFECT: For offensive equipment or an offensive player causing a blocked ball, the player closest to home plate is declared out, and all other runners must return to the last base touched when the ball becomes blocked.
1. The ball is dead. In all cases where a thrown ball goes into the spectators’ seats, goes over, through, or under any fence surrounding the playing field; hits any person or object not engaged in the game, including bats lying near benches, goes into the players benches, whether the ball rebounds onto the playing field or not, or remains in the meshes of any wire screen, each and every baserunner shall be awarded two (2) bases.
2. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two (2) bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one (1) base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners, when the wild throw was made.

MichaelVA2000 Thu Oct 14, 2010 03:24pm
As you continue into "Fall Ball" you could also learn that any ties go to the runner and that the hands are part of the bat.:eek:

MD Longhorn Thu Oct 14, 2010 03:33pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000 (Post 696405)
As you continue into "Fall Ball" you could also learn that any ties go to the runner and that the hands are part of the bat.:eek:
And "She can do that... she's just blocking the plate!!"

CecilOne Thu Oct 14, 2010 03:53pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 696397)
Here's where:
8-5 covers batters awarded 1st base.

There is no 8-7-f.

8-14-c covers two base awards and includes
3. "3. If a live thrown ball (not by a pitcher from the pitcher’s plate as in item D) goes into a stand for spectators, or a players’ bench, or over or through or lodges in a fence."

8-15 covers the timing and 8-15-c says "The time the ball left the hand of the thrower (in any situation other than A or B). A and B cover non-overthow cases.

source: USSSA fast pitch rulebook, 9th edition
http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-gen...010FPRules.pdf

NCASAUmp Thu Oct 14, 2010 05:01pm
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 696415)
8-5 covers batters awarded 1st base.

There is no 8-7-f.

8-14-c covers two base awards and includes
3. "3. If a live thrown ball (not by a pitcher from the pitcher’s plate as in item D) goes into a stand for spectators, or a players’ bench, or over or through or lodges in a fence."

8-15 covers the timing and 8-15-c says "The time the ball left the hand of the thrower (in any situation other than A or B). A and B cover non-overthow cases.

source: USSSA fast pitch rulebook, 9th edition
http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-gen...010FPRules.pdf
Right. That's the FP version. I was quoting the SP version.

Skahtboi Fri Oct 15, 2010 08:14am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 696421)
Right. That's the FP version. I was quoting the SP version.
Well....who umpires SP???? :cool:

Skahtboi Fri Oct 15, 2010 08:16am
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 696415)
I was using an old casebook. Guess the rule number has changed.


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