Mahem and Madness in 10U

[Paws7]

B2 is just going into 3B.

(I deleted "Meanwhile B2 has reached 3B." which may clarify it.)

Thanks.

Thanks for your answer based on the blabbering mess I provided.

That's what I would have thought also.

Also, I am curious. . .If none of the other happened, except having two runners occupy the same base (which sometimes happens a lot in 10s), is it an automatically called out on the trailing runner, or does the defense have to tag B2?

[RKBUmp]

2 runners on a base is not an automatic out, 1st runner to occupy it legally has the base, trailing runner must be tagged.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

2 runners on a base is not an automatic out, 1st runner to occupy it legally has the base, trailing runner must be tagged.

Half right. Trailing runner must be tagged. However, it's entirely possible that the trailing runner is also the first runner to occupy the base legally. The first half of your statement is not true.

Had 3 runners on 2nd once. No out. In fact, had 3 runners on 2nd, F1 with the ball ready to pitch - no out.

[Paws7]

Thanks!

It is very helpful to be able to discuss it so I can relay the correct info to the player(parents) so they can learn also.


The ruling on the field was not a thing, because when asked the plate umpire did confer with the base umpire but the BU said he could tell a thing because both teams had on similar color tops and he didn't know who was where. Oh and he added it's 10U who cares. . .

[RKBUmp]

My statement was 1st runner to occupy the base legally. In the situation you have provided with 3 runners standing on 2nd, the first runner would not have been legally occupying the base.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

My statement was 1st runner to occupy the base legally. In the situation you have provided with 3 runners standing on 2nd, the first runner would not have been legally occupying the base.

The first runner to occupy a base legally is simply the first runner to occupy a base legally ... not necessarily the one who has "the base" as you said. Runner on 1st tries to make it to 3rd, realizes she's not going to make it. BR is standing on 2nd and was there first (and legally). When R1 comes in to 2nd - the player in jeopardy is now the BR, not R1, even though BR was there first and legally.

The 3 runners on 2nd scenario was a mess, and if the defense had bothered to try to get some outs, R1 (the one that should have gone to 3rd) would have been out if tagged, or BR would have been out if tagged. R2 (from 1st) was the only one who could have gotten tagged and still been safe. Defense could have tagged R1, then BR for 2 outs. If they tagged BR first, the forces go away and they would have to tag R2 (no longer R1) for the out.

But alas, they did nothing. With the ball in the circle and them doing nothing, we had to put R1 on 3rd and BR on 1st. No outs.

[Paws7]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The first runner to occupy a base legally is simply the first runner to occupy a base legally ... not necessarily the one who has "the base" as you said. Runner on 1st tries to make it to 3rd, realizes she's not going to make it. BR is standing on 2nd and was there first (and legally). When R1 comes in to 2nd - the player in jeopardy is now the BR, not R1, even though BR was there first and legally.

The 3 runners on 2nd scenario was a mess, and if the defense had bothered to try to get some outs, R1 (the one that should have gone to 3rd) would have been out if tagged, or BR would have been out if tagged. R2 (from 1st) was the only one who could have gotten tagged and still been safe. Defense could have tagged R1, then BR for 2 outs. If they tagged BR first, the forces go away and they would have to tag R2 (no longer R1) for the out.

But alas, they did nothing. With the ball in the circle and them doing nothing, we had to put R1 on 3rd and BR on 1st. No outs.

So, in that situation it would really depend on what order to tag the runners?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Paws7

So, in that situation it would really depend on what order to tag the runners?

Absolutely. While the force is on, R1 is not on the base legally - so is liable to be tagged, and BR is also not, as she is the trailing runner. But if BR is tagged, the force disappears, and now R1 does not have to advance, making R2 the trailing runner and liable to be tagged out.