Why do some make it such a BIG deal?

[Bandit]

Quick question: Was this a newer umpire?....No

Yeah, it's a rule and we are expected to enforce it.....May I ask what rule you are refering to? Depending on which rule you may have been refering to...enforcement of a a rule was never not expected. And chances are (again depending on your reference) any rule would work AGAINST that particular coach and team. Thus the umpire gets a free out and isn't that what some umpires claim to be working for? Outs? Why take away an oppurtunity of a out on someone elses stupidity (aka...the coach)

Why do some coaches think that some rules don't apply to them?...Again what rule?

I'm still looking for the written rule that says a gate to the dugout has to be closed???

Get off the dang field. If I let you stand out there and the ball hits you, it's my fault. ...Again. Why do you care? I understand a small innocent reminder to the coach, but why the BIG SHOW. How is it your fault? I got a speeding ticket last week. There was a sign and everything on the road. I tried to call the state highway dept to tell them it was their fault but they still refused to pay the ticket. Right before they started laughing at me and hung up the phone.

Honestly...I appreciate the answers and thoughts. It still does not explain why the small things are exploided to such a degree and yet items like illegal pitches are ignored. Power trip by the umpire....probally. Which is extremely important in front of 12 year olds.....gotta show them who the boss is.

[MD Longhorn]

Given that the events happened as you state, I would agree that the umpire made a way bigger show of it than necessary. This is not something you would generally threaten an ejection over unless there is a LOT of other things going on in this game. If you've not taken this incident out of context by removing other problems from the discussion, PU probably should have simply said, "Coach, stay in the dugout please".

That said - are you telling me you aren't aware of a rule that tells you how many coaches can be on the field and where they can be? Really? You said you had umpired. I find this very hard to believe. You think you can just mill around wherever you want? While it sounds like PU's manner was way off - he was right in one thing... GET OFF THE DANG FIELD.

(And edited to add... what does

I got a speeding ticket last week. There was a sign and everything on the road. I tried to call the state highway dept to tell them it was their fault but they still refused to pay the ticket. Right before they started laughing at me and hung up the phone.

have to do with ANYTHING?

[celebur]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Get off the dang field. If I let you stand out there and the ball hits you, it's my fault. ...Again. Why do you care?

Because of liability. People do stupid things all the time, and sometimes they sue. And win. Regardless of their stupidity.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Quick question: Was this a newer umpire?....No

Yeah, it's a rule and we are expected to enforce it.....May I ask what rule you are refering to?

Sec.16:
A member of the team at bat who takes their place in the coach's box to direct his/her players in running the bases. Two coaches are allowed, one positioned at first base and one positioned at third base. The defensive coaches/manager must remain inside the, as their normal position, when their team is playing defense.

Failure to obay this rule, after a warning from is issued, will result in the coach/manager being ejected.

[/COLOR][/B]Why do some coaches think that some rules don't apply to them?...Again what rule?

See answers below.

From the 2010 NFHS Rules Book:
RULE 3 SECTION 6 Art. 6

Only the batter, runner(s), on deck batter, coaches in the coach's box, bat/ball shaggers or one of the nine players on defense are permitted to be outside the designated dugout/bench or designated warmup areas.

I don't have my current NSA rules book but this is from a previous year:

Sec.16:
A member of the team at bat who takes their place in the coach's box to direct his/her players in running the bases. Two coaches are allowed, one positioned at first base and one positioned at third base. The defensive coaches/manager must remain inside the dugout, as their normal position, when their team is playing defense.

Failure to obay this rule, after a warning is issued, will result in the coach/manager being ejected.

My NCAA, ASA, and PONY rules book are in my car, but they have similiar rules.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Yeah, it's a rule and we are expected to enforce it.....May I ask what rule you are refering to? Depending on which rule you may have been refering to...enforcement of a a rule was never not expected. And chances are (again depending on your reference) any rule would work AGAINST that particular coach and team. Thus the umpire gets a free out and isn't that what some umpires claim to be working for? Outs? Why take away an oppurtunity of a out on someone elses stupidity (aka...the coach)

What in the hell are you talking about? Where did you get the idea that AN OUT could be accessed against a team for violating this rule?

You already got a couple of answers as to "what rule" was being enforced. You didn't say what sanctioning body you were playing for, but I will say that every one of the half-dozen associations I've worked games for (in baseball and softball) have some version this same rule. Just for good measure, here is the ASA rule:

(5-12)Dugout Conduct: Coaches, players, substitutes and other bench personnel shall not be outside the designated bench, dugout/team area except when the rule allows it or it is justified by the umpire. EFFECT: The first offense is a team warning. Any repeat offense shall result in the ejection of that team member.

[HugoTafurst]

.....Why make a big deal about it?
This particualr umpire gives you an order (that may be picky or may not, but he is correct), so just do it and shut up...

With all the experience you claim, havent you realized that there are all kinds of umpire personalities?
The "threat" may havebeen over the top.... but technically, the request was not wrong....

Why make a big deal of it?

Take a step back and play the game..

[tcannizzo]

This all boils down to game management.

Some umpires are better at it than others.
Some coaches are better at it than others.

If you are a coach and get a horse's patootie for an umpire, just grit and bear it. It's going to happen.

If you are a umpire and get a horse's patootie for a coach, just grit and bear it. It's going to happen.

But in the end, the umpire is the ultimate authority on the field and is responsible for keeping control of the game.

And if coach shows his butt, he will eventually be in the parking lot.

[Bandit]

[QUOTE=HugoTafurst;694906].....Why make a big deal about it?
This particualr umpire gives you an order (that may be picky or may not, but he is correct), so just do it and shut up...

A) Might have been the way he gave the "order" ?????
B) Never said we did'nt do it.
C) I don't appreciate beng told to "shut up" by anyone.

D) One has to wonder if your demeaner is one of "control"? Perhaps you walk onto the field with the attitude of "I am god the umpire, I shall run this game. You, coach, should feel special that I let you stay" ?. Your response here opens the possibility of that thought process.

Good umpires "manage" a game. They don't "run" the game

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Bandit

...Good umpires...

...know the rules regarding dugout conduct. Thanks for the pointers. It means so much coming from someone as knowledgeable as you.

[ronald]

I am wondering if you are upset about being asked to get back in the dugout realizing that you are in the wrong and now engaging in cognitive dissonance by dealing with the umps attitude.

I hope in the future you have understood the message and not the messenger and will stay off the field.

I can not understand why coaches think they should be on the field. I am convinced they are also the ones who think it is ok to violate other rules cause it is just an inconvenience to me and well, they should not apply to me cause, you know, my ... does not stink and I am special. WTF?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by ronald

I can not understand why coaches think they should be on the field. I am convinced they are also the ones who think it is ok to violate other rules cause it is just an inconvenience to me and well, they should not apply to me cause, you know, my ... does not stink and I am special. WTF?

I believe it is because some believe they are part of the game.