Ball Out of Play

[IRISHMAFIA]

ASA

Runner on 2B. Batter hits a shot that short hops the outfielder, glances off his shoulder and over the RCF fence.

Where do you put the runners?

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

ASA

Runner on 2B. Batter hits a shot that short hops the outfielder, glances off his shoulder and over the RCF fence.

Where do you put the runners?

Because of the fact..."glances off his shoulder.." I would go with:
8.5.G.
EXCEPTION
1. When a fielder loses possession of the ball, and the ball leaves live ball territory or becomes blocked.
EFFECT Each runner is awarded one base from the last base touched at the time the ball entered dead territory or becomes blocked.

Runner on 2B gets home. BR gets 2B.

I know its not a perfect fit as I'm taking "glances off his shoulder" to be the same as loosing possession, and the sitch clearly indicates there was never any possession of the ball on the part of the fielder.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Because of the fact..."glances off his shoulder.." I would go with:
8.5.G.
EXCEPTION
1. When a fielder loses possession of the ball, and the ball leaves live ball territory or becomes blocked.
EFFECT Each runner is awarded one base from the last base touched at the time the ball entered dead territory or becomes blocked.

Runner on 2B gets home. BR gets 2B.

I know its not a perfect fit as I'm taking "glances off his shoulder" to be the same as loosing possession, and the sitch clearly indicates there was never any possession of the ball on the part of the fielder.

How can a player lose possession of a ball they never held, let alone possess? I don't know, helluva stretch.

Besides, 8.5.G refers to an overthrown or blocked ball. The scenario involves neither.

[NCASAUmp]

Two base award from TOP (8-5-I-1).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Two base award from TOP (8-5-I-1).

But this is a deflected ball. In 8.5.I.2 through 4, ASA specifically addresses deflected balls, so why assume 8.5.I.1 would include a deflected ball?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

But this is a deflected ball. In 8.5.I.2 through 4, ASA specifically addresses deflected balls, so why assume 8.5.I.1 would include a deflected ball?

Because it doesn't say that it MUST be deflected.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How can a player lose possession of a ball they never held, let alone possess? I don't know, helluva stretch.

Besides, 8.5.G refers to an overthrown or blocked ball. The scenario involves neither.

Uggh! Of course. Back to the drawing board.

[KJUmp]

As much as I'd like to use 8.5.I.2, it reads: "Deflects off a defensive player and goes out of play in foul territory."
In the sitch it went over the RCF fence.....so again I find myself looking at a square peg and trying to fit it into a round hole.