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Old Thu Aug 12, 2010, 08:33pm
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...I said, if in the umpire’s judgment, three steps could be a commitment to second.
No, it can't. That is nowhere in the LBR. The umpire does not get to arbitrarily "judge" when the runner committed.
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Just as a runner who rounds first and is tagged, the umpire has to make a call based on their judgment, taking into consideration if an attempt toward second was made.
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On the LBR, I am looking at the whole rule under 8.7.T.3.a.b.c.d.e. Neither d nor e requires a stop for the rule to come into effect.

Under a. the rule allows the runner to stop once and immediately make a determination of whether they are going to advance or return to the base.

Where I question the rule is c, d and e all use the term committed to a base. Under a, the author did not use the term committed to second base, although it is implied that a commitment can be made prior to a stop, as in d and e. with all that being said, I believe that it could be cleaned up and explained better. It is apparent that the rule is not called the same at every ball park and I believe that most of us want to make the right calls, although because of the rule there is some confusion among umpires.
The umpire does not get to arbitrarily decide which section of the LBR to apply. This is from the OP:
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...BR runs to 1st, rounds it, goes three steps off (toward 2nd), then stops, and goes back to 1st....
Now, from that, which part of the LBR applies? (Hint: it ain't 8-7-T-3-b, c, d, or e.)
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