Appeal Play question

[justcallmeblue]

Dont have access to a rule book where I am for the weekend . . .help is appreciated. . . ASA RULESET. . .12U. . .

R1 on 2B. . .Initially, R1 fails to tag on a pop fly out. . . .finally she tags up and avances to 3B. I call TIME as thrid base was dislodged.

I am heading back to the plate and have not completely set up when the Pitcher in contact with rubber, throws the ball to 2B for an appeal called for by her coach. Pitcher overthrows 2B and runner on 3B advances to home.

I send the runner back to 3B because TIME had been called. . . .however, the coach argues TIME should be waived off when the pitcher took the mound and it should be a LIVE ball. Again, I was on my way back to the plate, mask in hand, checking the clicker. . .when the appeal was in motion.

Does the runner advance - is it a live ball??? where in the ruleset can I find it when I get back

[txump81]

Don't have an ASA ruleset, but I thought in all rulesets, the ball is not LIVE until the PU puts the ball back in play.

OBR 3.12 -- When the umpire suspends play, "Time" shall be called. At the umpire's call of "Play" the suspension is lifted and play resumes. Between the call of "Time" and the call of "Play" the ball is dead.

I would say you got it right.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue

I send the runner back to 3B because TIME had been called. . . .however, the coach argues TIME should be waived off when the pitcher took the mound and it should be a LIVE ball.

Coach is an idiot.

And, apparently, oblivious to the rules about dead-ball appeals!

[SRW]

YOU control the game, and when TIME is called... not the coach, and not the players.

ASA 10.4(A-I)

[BretMan]

Should have told him to file a protest that the "time out waive off rule" was not properly applied.

[greymule]

Time isn't back in until you say it's in. While that might seem overly obvious, I've had to invoke that principle several times, especially in rec slow pitch (but also in FP), when the batter stepped in and the pitcher delivered while I was still returning to my position behind the plate.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue

(snip).however, the coach argues TIME should be waived off when the pitcher took the mound and it should be a LIVE ball.

(snip)
where in the ruleset can I find it when I get back

Either:
1) Politely tell the coach that TIME was and the ball was never put back into play.
End of conversation. Walk away.
or
2) Tell the coach to sit the ef down and shut up, the ball isn't live until you put it in play.

In either case: Keeping in mind that once YOU do put the ball in play, an appeal can be executed


No book with me here, either, but look up:
"Putting the ball in play".

The rule is pretty much the same in all codes, although the mechanics may differ slightly.
In NO case is the ball in play until YOU are ready.

[justcallmeblue]

thanks all for the reply. . .

Firstly, the coach's issue is that the Pitcher TOOK the mound and that in and of itself means that the ball is back in play.

My contention, as confirmed by the rulebook, is that since I called TIME (no matter where I was), that runners CANNOT advance until the next pitch. . . Even though she "took the mound" doesnt mean that time is in. . .it still means YOU CANNOT ADVANCE YOUR RUNNER. . .PERIOD. . . .

I know he will still disagree when I show him the rulebook. . . .I was hoping there was no over-ruling scenario and it seems there is not. . .

Once again THANKS

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue

thanks all for the reply. . .

Firstly, the coach's issue is that the Pitcher TOOK the mound and that in and of itself means that the ball is back in play.

My contention, as confirmed by the rulebook, is that since I called TIME (no matter where I was), that runners CANNOT advance until the next pitch. . . Even though she "took the mound" doesnt mean that time is in. . .it still means YOU CANNOT ADVANCE YOUR RUNNER. . .PERIOD. . . .

I know he will still disagree when I show him the rulebook. . . .I was hoping there was no over-ruling scenario and it seems there is not. . .

Once again THANKS

How is he going to disagree when he is playing a softball game on a baseball field?

[justcallmeblue]

and now i lost the page I had marked. . .that said No runners shall advance untiil after the next pitch. . . .HELP before I go nuts!!!

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue

thanks all for the reply. . .

Firstly, the coach's issue is that the Pitcher TOOK the mound and that in and of itself means that the ball is back in play.

My contention, as confirmed by the rulebook, is that since I called TIME (no matter where I was), that runners CANNOT advance until the next pitch. . . Even though she "took the mound" doesnt mean that time is in. . .it still means YOU CANNOT ADVANCE YOUR RUNNER. . .PERIOD. . . .

I know he will still disagree when I show him the rulebook. . . .I was hoping there was no over-ruling scenario and it seems there is not. . .

Once again THANKS

If you know he will still disagree when you show him the book, let it go.
Who cares what he thinks, he's wrong. - If he dosn't want to know that's his loss.

What level are we talking about anyway?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How is he going to disagree when he is playing a softball game on a baseball field?

With a baseball mind.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue
... snip...
And, apparently, oblivious to the rules about dead-ball appeals!

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Either:
1) Politely tell the coach that TIME was and the ball was never put back into play.
End of conversation. Walk away.

In either case: Keeping in mind that once YOU do put the ball in play, an appeal can be executed

Also, if no TIME called, the throw to 2nd is a live ball appeal. The runner can advance and the unnecessary throw is on the coach.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue
... snip...
And, apparently, oblivious to the rules about dead-ball appeals!




Also, if no TIME called, the throw to 2nd is a live ball appeal. The runner can advance and the unnecessary throw is on the coach.

1) But time WAS called (re-read post)
and
2) I think it was the offensive coach who was "discussing" because he wanted his runner to score.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

1) But time WAS called (re-read post)
and
2) I think it was the offensive coach who was "discussing" because he wanted his runner to score.

Of course, just adding corollaries (if no TIME called). We seemed to have concluded the OP Q.
But observant on your part.