Sanity Check

[HugoTafurst]

USSSA
R1 stealing second, gets in a run down, after a few back and forth runs and throws, R1 heading to 1st as the ball is thrown out of play.
DEAD BALL, I send the runner to 3rd.

Coach questions award, I tell him the award is proper.
Game continues.

After the game is over, UIC and every other umpire upstairs claims I blew it.
They say it isthe base she is going to, plus one (I think OMG am I dreaming).
I look in the book and find the ruling that says, (Rule 8 Sec. 14 C 3) two base award.
Room now claims it is 2 bases - the base going to is one and then another!

Is there a rule some where that has the 1 + 1 wording?
Thanks

[Stu Clary]

"The one she is going to, + one"? Award her home in your sitch! Hahahaha! Does she have to bat again?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

"The one she is going to, + one"? Award her home in your sitch! Hahahaha! Does she have to bat again?

Stu:

Hugo was asking a legitimate question and was looking for an intelligent discussion of the situation. Your comments was not appropriate.

MTD, Sr.

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Stu:

Hugo was asking a legitimate question and was looking for an intelligent discussion of the situation. Your comments was not appropriate.

MTD, Sr.

Mark:

Hugo has a pretty good grasp of the situation. YOUR comment, being off-topic as well as condesending, is the one that is inappropriate.

GFY,

Stu Clary

[BretMan]

USSSA does have a rule something like this, but not for this situation. And it only applies in slow pitch!

Under their slow pitch rules, when a runner leaves early on a caught fly ball that is thrown out of play before the runner retouches, it's a two-base award with the base left early counting as the first base of the award. So, if the runner was left early from first, and was between first and second when the throw was made, she gets second base.

It sounds like the U-Trip "experts" you talked to are confusing that rule with the wrong situation- and the wrong version of the sport!

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

USSSA
R1 stealing second, gets in a run down, after a few back and forth runs and throws, R1 heading to 1st as the ball is thrown out of play.
DEAD BALL, I send the runner to 3rd.

Coach questions award, I tell him the award is proper.
Game continues.

After the game is over, UIC and every other umpire upstairs claims I blew it.
They say it isthe base she is going to, plus one (I think OMG am I dreaming).
I look in the book and find the ruling that says, (Rule 8 Sec. 14 C 3) two base award.
Room now claims it is 2 bases - the base going to is one and then another!

Is there a rule some where that has the 1 + 1 wording?
Thanks

Hugo,

Since we have no USSSSSSSSSSA (how many S'es?) overhere, I first have a question: How different can this game be from ASA, ISF/ESF?
So ask yourself: "What base already was in legally possion of R1?" (I think 1st). Add the 2 bases-award to it and we have 3rd.
Then ask yourself: "Who blew the call?"
IMHO R1 is retreating to 1st base only because she don't want get cought, not by rule (leaving to soon or missed base), so having the nose pointed towards 1st ain't means she's not on her way towards 2nd base..

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

Mark:

Hugo has a pretty good grasp of the situation. YOUR comment, being off-topic as well as condesending, is the one that is inappropriate.

GFY,

Stu Clary

Stu:

Read the last sentence of Hugos' OP. It is a question and it is a legitmage question that he posted to the forum to gain more information.

MTD, Sr.

[CecilOne]

1) Base running awards are according to the runner's POSITION at the time of the throw, DIRECTION is IRRELEVANT.

2) Bickering is not productive.

3) Well, Alex, you already mentioned ASA/ISF/ESF which have some differences. The several rule books American umpires are stuck with have even more differences, could very well vary on this play.

4) Hugo seems sane.

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

...4) Hugo seems sane.

I was thinking the same. But I'm only acting that I'm sane
(see below and translate it from dutch...)

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

Hugo,

Since we have no USSSSSSSSSSA (how many S'es?) overhere, I first have a question: How different can this game be from ASA, ISF/ESF?

USSSA softball rules most closely resemble NFHS.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

(see below and translate it from dutch...)

BING Translator:
"I am not kidding, do as if only! However, is well off "

Worldling.com:
"I am not kid thing, do ash if only! However, are well off "

Oh well - I think I get the message.....

[HugoTafurst]

Thanks for the Sanity Check -

Just finished 3 days in the heat and humidity of South Florida.
When I recoverand catch up at work, I may post to the "Things Heatin up" thread.

I'm sure you've all been in those situations.
I was the "outsider" so what do I know.
I know next to nothing about slow pitch rules, but it's nice to know the phrase may have come from somewhere.

I'll probably spend this next week looking for that wording.


Mark, thanks for looking out for me, but I think I got the humor of Stu's comment (I'm a wisea$$ myself sometimes).

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

BING Translator:
"I am not kidding, do as if only! However, is well off "

Worldling.com:
"I am not kid thing, do ash if only! However, are well off "

Oh well - I think I get the message.....

Babel Fish translation:
"I am not crazy, only do as if! Does me nevertheless descend good?"

I suspect we're trying to translate an idiom, so the direct translation does not convey the meaning, exactly.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Babel Fish translation:
"I am not crazy, only do as if! Does me nevertheless descend good?"

Close ... Isn't it "I am not crazed, only do as if! Does descent good me nevertheless. Don't forget your towel."

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

I know next to nothing about slow pitch rules, but it's nice to know the phrase may have come from somewhere.

I'll probably spend this next week looking for that wording.

I'll save you some time!

See USSSA rule 8-9-D in the...slooooooow pitch rule book.