Florida head coach accuses umpires of cheating his team at WCWS

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by pop300ln

u are a true little league um or maybe a t-baller

Wow. A record. Only 6 posts to my ignore button.

[MD Longhorn]

Hey ... "Not gaining an advantage" people...

If she's not gaining an advantage by doing it, why doesn't she simply stop?

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Hey ... "Not gaining an advantage" people...

If she's not gaining an advantage by doing it, why doesn't she simply stop?

Because thats the way she pitches 'more gooder'.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Wow. A record. Only 6 posts to my ignore button.

That long, huh?

BTW, NC#, the tie does go to the runner.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

BTW, NC#, the tie does go to the runner.

So... what you're saying is that it's a myth that the tie goes to the runner is a myth.

Which I happen to agree with. The book states

Originally Posted by ASA Rule 8.7.C

When, on a force play, a fielder contacts the base while holding the ball, or tags the runner before the runner reaches the base.

If the ball and the runner get there at the same time, a tie, then fielder did not contact the base before the runner, the runner is safe, the myth list not withstanding.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

So... what you're saying is that it's a myth that the tie goes to the runner is a myth.

Which I happen to agree with. The book states



If the ball and the runner get there at the same time, a tie, then fielder did not contact the base before the runner, the runner is safe, the myth list not withstanding.

No such damn thing as a tie! If you thought it was a tie, you weren't looking close enough.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

So... what you're saying is that it's a myth that the tie goes to the runner is a myth.

Which I happen to agree with. The book states



If the ball and the runner get there at the same time, a tie, then fielder did not contact the base before the runner, the runner is safe, the myth list not withstanding.

There is no such thing as two independent events occurring at the same precise moment... there is no tie.

PS - you can find exactly the reverse wording elsewhere in the book... even the book assumes there is no such thing as a tie.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

There is no such thing as two independent events occurring at the same precise moment... there is no tie.

Within the limits of human perception, yes there are. And since we're talking about a human's perception (although quite a few coaches might argue with that), ties will happen. And I would argue that you cannot prove that two independant events did NOT occur at the exact same time.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

PS - you can find exactly the reverse wording elsewhere in the book... even the book assumes there is no such thing as a tie.

The closest I could find was in the rule supplement (1.L in the book I have open) dealing with the appeal when the runner passed first base "before the throw arrives" without touching. I can accept that the offense loses the benefit of winning the tie if they fail to touch the base.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

Within the limits of human perception, yes there are. And since we're talking about a human's perception (although quite a few coaches might argue with that), ties will happen. And I would argue that you cannot prove that two independant events did NOT occur at the exact same time.

The closest I could find was in the rule supplement (1.L in the book I have open) dealing with the appeal when the runner passed first base "before the throw arrives" without touching. I can accept that the offense loses the benefit of winning the tie if they fail to touch the base.

You could always say the following:

"Coach, how many races have you ever seen that resulted in a 'tie?' None. Slow it down enough, watch it carefully, and someone will ALWAYS get there first. And that's exactly what I did. "

[greymule]

Keep in mind that the touch of the base and the gloving of the ball, however we might try to define them, are not instantaneous events, though we treat them as such in practice. They do not occur at infinitesimally small intervals of time.

The two events certainly can occur at intervals far too short for the human eye and mind to discern. Therefore, we can have an apparent tie.