Tag Ups - Time Play not a Force Out

[NCASAUmp]

Hey, Canary!

I appreciate your honesty here, and I'll answer your question.

The term "tag-up" refers to the runner, not the fielder, touching the base at the appropriate time. On a caught fly ball, all runners must touch the base they started from after the fly ball is first touched. If they leave before the ball is first touched and do not re-touch the base, they are subject to appeal.

You're looking at Rules Supplement #1, which is where you need to be. Look up a little higher and read B (Live) and C (Dead). If the runner is properly appealed by doing a live ball or dead ball appeal, the runner is out.

Appealing a runner leaving a base too soon is a timing play, which means that the umpires need to pay attention to WHEN the appeal is made if it becomes the third out. If the appeal is made BEFORE a runner (or runners) crosses home plate, the run(s) will not count. If the appeal is made AFTER a runner (or runners) crosses home plate, the run(s) WILL count.

This is different from, say, an appeal made on a runner for missing a base they were forced to advance to, resulting in the third out. Instead, that is a force play. When the third out is the result of a force out, no runs may score.

Does that clear things up any?

[Snocatzdad]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

This is different from, say, an appeal made on a runner for missing a base they were forced to advance to, resulting in the third out. Instead, that is a force play. When the third out is the result of a force out, no runs may score.

Does that clear things up any?

As an aside, So with R1 on third R2 on first, 2 outs, BR hits fair ball to RF (not caught) and R2 sprints past 2B (misses bag) and arrives at 3B safely, R1 crosses home. Play ends and defense appeals R2 missing 2B. Is that a force not a timing play and R1's run does not count?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Snocatzdad

As an aside, So with R1 on third R2 on first, 2 outs, BR hits fair ball to RF (not caught) and R2 sprints past 2B (misses bag) and arrives at 3B safely, R1 crosses home. Play ends and defense appeals R2 missing 2B. Is that a force not a timing play and R1's run does not count?

That's correct. Since R2 was forced to advance to 2B, it's a force play, not a timing play. No runs score.

[Canary]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

That's correct. Since R2 was forced to advance to 2B, it's a force play, not a timing play. No runs score.

If R2 was already on 2nd, and the batter hit a double. Runner on third goes home, and the runner on second goes home, but misses third. Would it be a simple issue of tagging the base on a time play, and would the run count. Even if it was a third out.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Canary

If R2 was already on 2nd, and the batter hit a double. Runner on third goes home, and the runner on second goes home, but misses third. Would it be a simple issue of tagging the base on a time play, and would the run count. Even if it was a third out.

If there's no runner on 1B at the start of the play, then that's correct. In this sitch, R2 would not be forced to advance to 3B. The appeal, in this case, is a timing play.

[Canary]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

If there's no runner on 1B at the start of the play, then that's correct. In this sitch, R2 would not be forced to advance to 3B. The appeal, in this case, is a timing play.

So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Canary

So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Could you clarify your situation?