again and again - Page 2

NCASAUmp · #16 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 22, 2010, 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota

If the bat hit the ball first and then it hit the batter's hands, you have a batted ball that hits the batter while the batter is still in the batter's box. Foul ball (ASA Rule 1-FOUL BALL-F), even if the ball "went right up the middle".

No, I've had the batter hit the bat twice on the same swing. Not the hands. It's in fairly rapid succession.

BretMan · #17 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 22, 2010, 03:54pm

I've had it happen and called it a couple of times (out of the thousands of batted balls I've seen).

It seems to happen when the batter has little bat speed or no follow through after contact. The batter swings, contacts the ball meekly, the force causes the bat to either stop at contact, or even deflect backwards a little bit, then the ball and bat collide again in rapid succession.

CecilOne · #18 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 22, 2010, 04:36pm

[QUOTE=NCASAUmp;669901]When the batter hits the ball twice with the bat, it's a foul ball.
[QUOTE]Over fair ground?

Dakota · #19 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 22, 2010, 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

When the batter hits the ball twice with the bat, it's a foul ball.

Over fair ground?

In the batter's box.

IRISHMAFIA · #20 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 22, 2010, 05:25pm

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Originally Posted by KJUmp

Come on....a newbie not knowing this, I can understand, maybe. But a vet??
We're talking umpiring 101 here no matter what rule set, or for that matter, what type of game, (it's the same for baseball).
Irish's reply should for be required reading for any new umpire starting out. Read it, memorize it, never forget it, and rely on it anytime you find yourself in a "ball hits the batter's hands" situations.

I once had this discussion with an umpire who worked a lot of HS & college ball and a little ASA SP.

At a FP tournament, he told me that, just like in baseball, the hands are part of the bat! Now, here is a guy in his late 40/early 50's who works allegedly high-level ball making an argument like an 8 yo on the playground.

Happened to be the UIC of the tournament, so I had a rule book handy. Opened right up and showed him that the hands were not part of the bat. He just waived his hand at me and told me I had no idea what I was talking about.

Go figure, then again, he is a politician, so truth and common sense were of absolutely no use here.