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[agr8zebra]

Rule 3.1.1

If a girl arrives late and not on the original LineUp Card, can she be added and participate?

[Dakota]

Yes. 3-3-1.

[Dutch Alex]

Not in a men's game and I guess (like ISF/ESF) only if she is dressed in the team uniform

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by agr8zebra

Rule 3.1.1

If a girl arrives late and not on the original LineUp Card, can she be added and participate?

Yes in NFHS; yes in ASA. No in NCAA; must be present at the start of the game to be eligible.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Yes in NFHS; yes in ASA. No in NCAA; must be present at the start of the game to be eligible.

Steve, are you going to make a distinction between "being present" and "being listed on the line up card" in an NCAA game?

Ex: a 2:30 start time, player has an exam starting at 2. She finishes her exam at 2:45 and arrives shortly after, say 2:55. You witness her arrival. She is listed on the pre-printed lineup card. Do you allow her to play that game?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Steve, are you going to make a distinction between "being present" and "being listed on the line up card" in an NCAA game?

Ex: a 2:30 start time, player has an exam starting at 2. She finishes her exam at 2:45 and arrives shortly after, say 2:55. You witness her arrival. She is listed on the pre-printed lineup card. Do you allow her to play that game?

I think the bigger question would be the opposing coach noting that the line-up card did not match the number of players available at game time, witness the player arrive late and then protest the game when that player hits a 2-run homer in the bottom of the 8th to beat that coach's team.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Steve, are you going to make a distinction between "being present" and "being listed on the line up card" in an NCAA game?

Ex: a 2:30 start time, player has an exam starting at 2. She finishes her exam at 2:45 and arrives shortly after, say 2:55. You witness her arrival. She is listed on the pre-printed lineup card. Do you allow her to play that game?

So, do you NCAA guys call roll?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Dakota

So, do you NCAA guys call roll?

No, and that was my point. NCAA has a more rigid view of the line up card than other organizations (ASA and NF have a much more "fluid" perspective), but of course, there are ways around it. The pre-printed roster allows for everyone to "be there" at the start of the game.

And to answer Mike's question, I am surprised your scenario hasn't happened yet, but I don't think it would hold up under protest, due to her name being on the line up card at the beginning of the game.

[marvin]

Believe me if a college coach sees that a player who could make a difference in the game (one of the other teams usual starters or a pitcher for instance) is not there, they will point it out during the pre-game and get that player's name scratched so they can't play that game.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by marvin

Believe me if a college coach sees that a player who could make a difference in the game (one of the other teams usual starters or a pitcher for instance) is not there, they will point it out during the pre-game and get that player's name scratched so they can't play that game.

You don't need to be "there" to play (only if you are a starter). You just need to be on the line up card:
5.6 Lineup
Each team must submit a complete lineup card to the official scorer and
opponent 20 minutes before game time and to the plate umpire at the
pregame meeting. The following information shall be recorded on the lineup
card: first and last names, uniform numbers and positions of the starting
players, listed in the order in which they are to bat; and the first and last
names and uniform numbers of all eligible substitutes. In addition, it shall
include the first and last name of the head coach. In the event the team has
co-head coaches, one shall be designated as the head coach for the game.
Notes:
1. Players not listed on the official lineup card are not eligible to play.
2. All players listed in the starting lineup must be in uniform, in the dugout
area and available to play at the start of the game.
3. The umpire may ask for the lineup card to be corrected before accepting it
as official.

[AtlUmpSteve]

All true statements, of course. But we are encouraged/directed to ask when it is a preprinted lineup card if all players listed are present, and for the coach to strike those that are not. Personally, that is pretty much as far as I go in that direction. I ask, they answer, and if not struck, are eligible to play if called out later.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

All true statements, of course. But we are encouraged/directed to ask when it is a preprinted lineup card if all players listed are present, and for the coach to strike those that are not. Personally, that is pretty much as far as I go in that direction. I ask, they answer, and if not struck, are eligible to play if called out later.

Steve, the rule (quoted above) does not state the player (sub) must be present, just that they are on the line up card. Who has directed you to ask and on what basis?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Steve, the rule (quoted above) does not state the player (sub) must be present, just that they are on the line up card. Who has directed you to ask and on what basis?

I won't call out names; but it has been used by clinicians for major NCAA conference coordinators (in their presence) as a standard part of approving the lineup card as part of the pregame. I have heard it several times, by several different clinicians whom I have believed to be well versed, with very stout NCAA resume's.

Smokey, are you out there drinking a cold one?? What say you?