ITB - 9th spot vacant

[NCASAUmp]

Mike's correct. If B1 is scheduled to bat first in the inning, you go to whoever precedes her in the lineup. If that player is injured, ejected, etc., you just go to whoever precedes HER in the lineup, which is B8.

[Tru_in_Blu]

A point of clarification please.

If B9 had left the game via ejection, and the team was only playing 9, wouldn't the game be forfeited?

There could be other situations where a team started w/ more than 9, B9 was ejected and replaced in the lineup with a sub, game continues. Then the sub gets hurt or has to leave and the game continues w/ an automatic out when that batter is due up.

Do I have this right?

Thanx.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

A point of clarification please.

If B9 had left the game via ejection, and the team was only playing 9, wouldn't the game be forfeited?

There could be other situations where a team started w/ more than 9, B9 was ejected and replaced in the lineup with a sub, game continues. Then the sub gets hurt or has to leave and the game continues w/ an automatic out when that batter is due up.

Do I have this right?

Thanx.

Under strict ASA rules, yes, you're correct. Good catch.

A lot of local leagues, however, have rules that supersede this rule, as their emphasis is on participation and not allowing one bad apple to ruin their fun.

Moral of the story? Know where you're calling.

[SC Ump]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

If B9 had left the game via ejection, and the team was only playing 9, wouldn't the game be forfeited?

Sorry about that. You are correct and I did not mean to confuse things.

All the umpires and the state director agree as noted above that you put the last batter of the inning on the base. If B9 is an empty spot, then use B8. (How often do you get a room full of umpires to agee.)

[SRW]

I didn't think International softball had a tie breaker rule.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by SRW

I didn't think International softball had a tie breaker rule.

I'm not sure what point you are making. International softball originated the tiebreaker rule, most often called the ITB, standing for International Tie Breaker. Unfortunately, that is only accurate in international softball; in every other case, it is simply the tiebreaker rule of whatever organization has that rule (which most often is modeled after the ITB); ie the ASA tiebreaker rule, the NCAA tiebreaker rule, etc.

As is true in ASA, the tiebreaker rule is generally not in effect in adult play; it is used in youth/JO/junior softball.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I'm not sure what point you are making. International softball originated the tiebreaker rule, most often called the ITB, standing for International Tie Breaker. Unfortunately, that is only accurate in international softball; in every other case, it is simply the tiebreaker rule of whatever organization has that rule (which most often is modeled after the ITB); ie the ASA tiebreaker rule, the NCAA tiebreaker rule, etc.

As is true in ASA, the tiebreaker rule is generally not in effect in adult play; it is used in youth/JO/junior softball.

Don't forget men's senior play.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I'm not sure what point you are making. International softball originated the tiebreaker rule, most often called the ITB, standing for International Tie Breaker. Unfortunately, that is only accurate in international softball; in every other case, it is simply the tiebreaker rule of whatever organization has that rule (which most often is modeled after the ITB); ie the ASA tiebreaker rule, the NCAA tiebreaker rule, etc.

As is true in ASA, the tiebreaker rule is generally not in effect in adult play; it is used in youth/JO/junior softball.

*looing back at what I typed*

. . .

Wow. Holy schitt was I Lis-dexic when I wrote that.

I meant to type, "I didn't think softball had an International Tie Breaker rule."

I guess that's what I get for typing faster than my head was thinking.

But yes... my point was, there's no such thing as "ITB". Even in ISF, it's called the "tie breaker rule."

[bniu]

how bout in extra innings, have the teams flip to determine who bats first and then play sudden death? First team score wins! if you lose the coin toss, then play some defense. That thought crossed my mind during a game last week that went on forever in 20 degree weather...


flame if you want, i'm just joking around here....

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bniu

how bout in extra innings, have the teams flip to determine who bats first and then play sudden death? First team score wins! if you lose the coin toss, then play some defense. That thought crossed my mind during a game last week that went on forever in 20 degree weather...


flame if you want, i'm just joking around here....

Sorry, but if you are dumb enough to be working a game in cold weather, you have no right to complain.

Other than that, "sudden death", IMO, has no place in sports of any kind.....except soccer and it should start after minute one of the game.

And before you start, I do not consider a playoff in golf sudden death since all participants have an equal opportunity.