Interference?

[robbie]

Originally Posted by Tex

No. What you have is one P.O. DC and F1 who don’t know the rules for the “Look Back Rule”. Because F1 raised her hand, the Look Back rule is off. Have F1 lower hand and everything should reset. F1 should not raise her hand.

But, she did - and Yes, interference.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by robbie

But, she did - and Yes, interference.

The way I'm reading that, I'd have a very hard time calling interference.

Are you saying, with F1 holding the ball, you would call interference simply because BR said "hey, hey"?

I just can't picture it.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by robbie

But, she did - and Yes, interference.

What, exactly, are you basing your call of interference on? A player talking? If so, do you call interference every time they use one of those chants aimed at the other team? If not, why? Isn't the intent of the chant, at least partially, to get into the head of the other team? Do you call interference when a coach is yelling "go, go, go," and the player, in their infinite wisdom pulls up at third anyway, and a throws goes home because the defense might have heard the coach yelling???

Interference can only be called when something has been done by the offense to actively hinder a play. I just don't see that here.

The players, both offense and defense, are supposed to know the situation of the game. I would be interested in hearing your support for the call of interference.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by robbie

But, she did - and Yes, interference.

Robbie, are all of your ball games silent? It seems like you'll call verbal interference any time an offensive player or coach opens their mouth.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by robbie

But, she did - and Yes, interference.

Yes, she did and no interference.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by robbie

But, she did - and Yes, interference.

It's been a while, but let me try to be the gentler voice.

When the interference definition, rule, or Rule Supplement state that there need not be contact, or that something "may be" considered verbal interference, that isn't meant to say that any verbal attempt or noise made by the offense is therefore automatically determined interference. In fact, this is intended to only cover the EXTREME cases, the exceptions, where it is obvious to the blind man two blocks away that the fielder was hindered or distracted.

The wording of the rule ("MAY BE") should make you understand that verbal isn't automatic, and is never "textbook" (as another poster stated). The wording ALLOWS you to judge it interference (in the extreme); it doesn't MAKE it interference (when in the norm).

Hope that assists you (and MrRabbit) in grasping what others are saying here, almost unanimously.

[SamG]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

R1 on 3b, walked BR rounds 1b towards 2b, F1 raises throwing arm (so R1 is free to step off 3b).
As F1 turns to address R1, BR calls "hey, hey" to F1 to bring her attention back to the rundown between 1b & 2b. Not once, but every time F1 looked back at R1. Of course, one P.O.'d DC. Do you have interference on this?

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Interference can only be called when something has been done by the offense to actively hinder a play. I just don't see that here.

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

where it is obvious to the blind man two blocks away that the fielder was hindered or distracted.

Skahtboi & Steve... how does the situation NOT fall into what you described? Skahtboi says something done by the offense to hinder a play. The R (offense) did something (yelled) to hinder (prevent the throw to 2b) the play.

Steve, the fielder (pitcher) was distracted.

A little story... the first travel game my DD (10) played in... she's nervous enough. We're up against a "dedicated" travel team (we're basically rec all stars). My DD is pitching. R at 3rd base takes a lead off, ball is returned to F1 and R claps AT my DD. Obviously she (R) was trying to get F1s attention. To try to calm down my daughter I simply yell "good for her, she knows how to clap.". DD smiled and went on. After the 1/2 inning, the runner's mother came over to me and criticized me for making fun of her daughter. When I asked her why her daughter clapped... "that's what she was taught to do."

Before it comes up, I don't remember if F1 was back in the circle or not, I wasn't worried about interference or LBR or anything like that. I just felt like telling you the story.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by SamG

Skahtboi & Steve... how does the situation NOT fall into what you described? Skahtboi says something done by the offense to hinder a play. The R (offense) did something (yelled) to hinder (prevent the throw to 2b) the play.

Steve, the fielder (pitcher) was distracted.

A little story... the first travel game my DD (10) played in... she's nervous enough. We're up against a "dedicated" travel team (we're basically rec all stars). My DD is pitching. R at 3rd base takes a lead off, ball is returned to F1 and R claps AT my DD. Obviously she (R) was trying to get F1s attention. To try to calm down my daughter I simply yell "good for her, she knows how to clap.". DD smiled and went on. After the 1/2 inning, the runner's mother came over to me and criticized me for making fun of her daughter. When I asked her why her daughter clapped... "that's what she was taught to do."

Before it comes up, I don't remember if F1 was back in the circle or not, I wasn't worried about interference or LBR or anything like that. I just felt like telling you the story.

Sam...let me begin by pointing out that there was no play that occurred here. Without some type of play occurring, you can't have interference no matter what happens.

Next, verbal interference must be something that actively hinders the player from making the play, and must deviate from the normal course of the game. The chanting that goes on in the dugouts, coaches giving directives, players communicating with each other or with their coaches, even the little hand clapping thing you mention, and that we all see year after year in the 12U categories do not meet this qualification. Nor does the situation in the post we are discussing. These are normal, routine parts of the game.

[SamG]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Sam...let me begin by pointing out that there was no play that occurred here. Without some type of play occurring, you can't have interference no matter what happens.

That makes sense.

Next, verbal interference must be something that actively hinders the player from making the play, and must deviate from the normal course of the game. The chanting that goes on in the dugouts, coaches giving directives, players communicating with each other or with their coaches, even the little hand clapping thing you mention, and that we all see year after year in the 12U categories do not meet this qualification. Nor does the situation in the post we are discussing. These are normal, routine parts of the game.

No problem with any of that.

Thanks

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by SamG

Thanks

You're certainly welcome.

[ronald]

without trying to find out who said it, i wish to add to the point of the defensive player knowing the situation the thought that said player should be looking out the side of his/her eye and know that the runner on third is on the bag as she is about to field the ball (catcher has got to be aware of what runnner is doing on 3b just before fielding ball). if player does that and i think it is acceptable to expect this out of a player, then the yelling of going would be or should be ignored by the catcher. hence, no interfernce on this play.

food for thought.