brief version of ASA rules

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

...dont let anyone else hear you say that, very few posters on here show me any respect.

You want respect??? Then show respect. I gave you a legitimate answer, that has been echoed by nearly everyone on here, and you call me a "jacksa$$." Prior to that, I was showing you respect. (You may not have liked what you heard, but I never disrespected you.) However, don't look for me to show you respect anymore.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

You want respect??? Then show respect. I gave you a legitimate answer, that has been echoed by nearly everyone on here, and you call me a "jacksa$$." Prior to that, I was showing you respect. (You may not have liked what you heard, but I never disrespected you.) However, don't look for me to show you respect anymore.

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Is the PDF part of ASA's website? If not, then how can you believe the veracity of it? In a nutshell, you can't. That is why we all use the rule book. There is no short cut to understanding the game. Quit trying to find one.

Maybe you werent trying to be a jack*ss but it sure comes off as that. why can a pdf that isnt found on the ASA website be the real rules???? why can you believe the veracity if a book, that obviously cant be read online, but not a digital version of it???? its when you use complete idiotic logic when trying to sound like you are omniscient that makes you sound like a jack*ss.

and if you werent trying to sound like a jack*ss, why even bother writing "quit trying to find one"???? no one said lets use a brief version of the rules to replace the official rulebook. all i was looking for was an easier way for PLAYERS to understand MORE, NOT ALL, about the rules.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

Maybe you werent trying to be a jack*ss but it sure comes off as that. why can a pdf that isnt found on the ASA website be the real rules???? why can you believe the veracity if a book, that obviously cant be read online, but not a digital version of it???? its when you use complete idiotic logic when trying to sound like you are omniscient that makes you sound like a jack*ss.

and if you werent trying to sound like a jack*ss, why even bother writing "quit trying to find one"???? no one said lets use a brief version of the rules to replace the official rulebook. all i was looking for was an easier way for PLAYERS to understand MORE, NOT ALL, about the rules.

Steve are you an A**hole in real life, or do you just play one on this website?

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by argodad

Steve are you an A**hole in real life, or do you just play one on this website?

Maybe he spends lots of nights in Holiday Inn Express!!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

Fuzzy green meat is bad for you.

I wish you had told me this sooner!!!!

[tcannizzo]

Personalities aside, there is something to be said about a searchable pdf to help one find ALL the information about a rule.

The 2008 ASA Rule Book is available from Seattle/Tacoma ASA Web Site http://www.minisoft.us/asawashington..._with_code.pdf

[IRISHMAFIA]

On another site, someone asked Steve M why he just didn't give a poster the answer he was seeking instead of asking about checking the rule book or umpire manual.

The reason is to try and get the umpire to learn. Any moron can get on a computer and look up something. Of course, they will only get what they are seeking and learn very little.

The reason you take the less convenient path is for the same reason college graduates can't make change for a from a $5 bill for a $4.40 purchase without the register telling them the amount to return.

The worst thing which ever happened to education in the United States is the allowance of calculators. So, what makes you think it would be any different in this case? Americans are a lazy sort, always looking for the shortcut. And where has that gotten us?

Read the book, attend the clinics, attend a couple of schools and get to know the game.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

why can a pdf that isnt found on the ASA website be the real rules????

I am sure you meant "why can't a PDF...."

Because, as I stated, and as many others have stated, there is no shortcut to understanding the rules of the game. Period. All of the rulebooks are as long as they are, because either players found a way to manipulate the rule as it was written, or else because the rule needed greater clarification. To take a part of a rule, out of context, will only lead to further misunderstanding. If, as you say, you really want the players to know the game, then hand them a rule book. Chances are just as many will read that as they would a "shortcut" PDF that you would give them if there was such a thing.

Originally Posted by steveshane67

why can you believe the veracity if a book, that obviously cant be read online, but not a digital version of it????

Let me see if I can translate what it is you are trying to say here....

People who transpose these things are liable to make mistakes. I have found all kinds of errors in peoples' attempts to compare rule sets in an easy to read handout. It happens. If it isn't from the source, then you cannot trust the legitimacy of the article. I thought that was a pretty simple concept. Now, if you are asking "why can't someone trust the veracity of a digital version of a rule book," then you can, as long as it is from the organization whose rules you are desiring to use. In the case of ASA, there is no such thing. However, for USSSA, NCAA and others, you can access a digital version of the rulebook. However, this is not what you were talking about in your OP.

If you are asking "how can I trust the ASA rulebook," which I hope you aren't, well that is simple. I get my ASA Rules Book from the ASA every year. They print it, they dessimenate it.

Originally Posted by steveshane67

... its when you use complete idiotic logic when trying to sound like you are omniscient that makes you sound like a jack*ss.

As stated previously, if you want respect, then give it, though apparently this is a very difficult concept for you to grasp.

Originally Posted by steveshane67

...and if you werent trying to sound like a jack*ss, why even bother writing "quit trying to find one"????

It is sound advice that apparently you still don't wish to take. .

Originally Posted by steveshane67

all i was looking for was an easier way for PLAYERS to understand MORE, NOT ALL, about the rules.

Have you ever heard the old saying, "You can lead a horse to water....?" Don't you really think that if the players wanted to know about the game, then they would take it upon themselves to learn about it? I have known some quite knowledgeable coaches and players. They are a rarity, but they are out there. They needed no short form PDF to learn the rules, and almost always had a book on hand.

Also, as has already been pointed out, "more" can sometimes be as dangerous as "none." A player, not armed with the complete knowledge of the rule, would attempt to interpret the knowledge they do have to fit a situation where it just doesn't fit. Then you would hear all of these players complaining to you, "but it was in that PDF that you gave me."

If a player comes to you wanting to know more about the game, then give them your rules book, or an old one, and tell them to read it cover to cover and to make notes on it, and then, if they have any questions, feel free to call or come up to you at the fields and ask these questions. You would much better serve them that way.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

Maybe you werent trying to be a jack*ss but it sure comes off as that. ... snip ... its when you use complete idiotic logic when trying to sound like you are omniscient that makes you sound like a jack*ss.

and if you werent trying to sound like a jack*ss, why even bother writing "quit trying to find one"???? ... snip ...

The rest of us know better.


If you have to keep this up, please take it offline.

[SRW]

ASA rule changes are now posted for 2010.

http://downloads.asasoftball.com/abo...thcomments.pdf