U Trip Slow Pitch help

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Need one more bit of information. Was this caught line drive in foul territory after the courtesy foul had been used or not? Makes a big difference in Utrip.

Why? A caught fly is not a foul ball, just a caught fly for an out.
Unless of course, USSSA SLOWPITCH is that different.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Why? A caught fly is not a foul ball, just a caught fly for an out.
Unless of course, USSSA SLOWPITCH is that different.

In some SP assns (don't know if U-Trip is one), the rules are that a 3rd strike foul for an out is basically a strike out and dead ball. IOW, catching it means nothing including runners not advancing on what would be a caught fly ball in ASA.

Therefore, catching the ball and going out of play becomes irrelevant.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

In some SP assns (don't know if U-Trip is one), the rules are that a 3rd strike foul for an out is basically a strike out and dead ball. IOW, catching it means nothing including runners not advancing on what would be a caught fly ball in ASA.

Therefore, catching the ball and going out of play becomes irrelevant.

Correct. NSA is one such org. USSSA says:

USSSA 9-2-F: The ball is live and in play: When a fly ball is legally caught (unless it is the second Foul caught after one strike.)

Remember, U-Trip starts with a 1-1 count, so they're referring to one strike AFTER being given the 1-1 count.

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Correct. NSA is one such org. USSSA says:



Remember, U-Trip starts with a 1-1 count, so they're referring to one strike AFTER being given the 1-1 count.

Highlighted in red is NOT true. That's the "general" assumption everyone makes. No where in the USSSA book does it say a player starts with a 1-1 count. I got reamed by an UIC in championship play in my 2nd or 3rd year for doing this. They start with a 0-0 count, but only get 2 strikes as opposed to 3, 3 balls as opposed to 4.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Highlighted in red is NOT true. That's the "general" assumption everyone makes. No where in the USSSA book does it say a player starts with a 1-1 count. I got reamed by an UIC in championship play in my 2nd or 3rd year for doing this. They start with a 0-0 count, but only get 2 strikes as opposed to 3, 3 balls as opposed to 4.

Good catch and clarification. It's been years since I've done U-Trip (about 13, actually), so the details are still a bit fuzzy.

Sorry for any confusion!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Highlighted in red is NOT true. That's the "general" assumption everyone makes. No where in the USSSA book does it say a player starts with a 1-1 count. I got reamed by an UIC in championship play in my 2nd or 3rd year for doing this. They start with a 0-0 count, but only get 2 strikes as opposed to 3, 3 balls as opposed to 4.

Which a group can do when their rule book addresses one game. With ASA, it was easier to sell the "assume a 1-1 count" to those who deal with multiple games under the same set of rules.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

In some SP assns (don't know if U-Trip is one), the rules are that a 3rd strike foul for an out is basically a strike out and dead ball. IOW, catching it means nothing including runners not advancing on what would be a caught fly ball in ASA.

Therefore, catching the ball and going out of play becomes irrelevant.

he still had strikes remaining.

[CecilOne]

Just that much more thankful for fastpitch!

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

In some SP assns (don't know if U-Trip is one), the rules are that a 3rd strike foul for an out is basically a strike out and dead ball. IOW, catching it means nothing including runners not advancing on what would be a caught fly ball in ASA.

Therefore, catching the ball and going out of play becomes irrelevant.

Ooops, didn't see this one before posting my previous one.

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Why? A caught fly is not a foul ball, just a caught fly for an out.
Unless of course, USSSA SLOWPITCH is that different.

Because in Utrip, the ball is dead on a caught foul ball after the courtesy has been used. You know how players yell "foul ball, let it go!"? In Utrip, a worthless statement basically.