2020, anyone?

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Actually, this tournament is a fluid thing and as more and more comes out.. so cal's show case is looking weaker and weaker.. With orgs sending one team to OKC and one team here..

Those coaches know what they are doing. They will be sending the unsigned high schoolers to the so cal show case and OKC will be rockin and rollin next year IMO.

The star pitcher in gold and last years #1 NFHS pitcher right now has one year of gold eligibility left.. but wont be eligible to be in the show case.. wonder where she will be?

If you aint beating her, you aint #1 imo.

How will so cal lay claim to the best if she is in OKC?

I agree there is a lot of fluidity. Lot's of meetings and details to take place.

As you have pointed out...there was less that 1.5 college playerss on teams at Gold last year. And there probably will be several college players in OKC again next year. But IMO the overall best teams will be sent to Premier based only on what the Organizers and Gold coaches are touting.

We will see.


From Premier Organizers:

A couple teams told me they will still send a team to Gold, the Cal teams are not going to do that and I think the others want to compete here with the best HS players they can bring. If Gold becomes completely overrun by college players maybe ASA will look ahead for a change and make Gold for college freshman and sophomores, make 23U for juniors and seniors, combine the tournaments and host that in OKC.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

From Premier Organizers:

A couple teams told me they will still send a team to Gold, the Cal teams are not going to do that and I think the others want to compete here with the best HS players they can bring. If Gold becomes completely overrun by college players maybe ASA will look ahead for a change and make Gold for college freshman and sophomores, make 23U for juniors and seniors, combine the tournaments and host that in OKC.

This is the type of stuff that just continues to support my point of ignorance. These folks continue to try and relate ASA to a player's school year while it is so clear that this is not the case.

I just don't get their situation. Are they just that stupid or arrogant enough to believe if they keep on saying it, more people will believe it to be true?

And, BTW, if the GOLD becomes completely overrun by college players, that should probably produce some damn good softball. Hell, I might go visit my friends on NE 50th just to see some great ball. And those 16-17yo who can hang with them will probably get a good look and good jump on entering college.

[ronald]

Lots of outstanding umps do not go to OKC every year. So the actual pool of umps to draw from is there. The questions though, is how they would get there, help with the plane ticket, help from an umps local association.

If not, then the pool is diminished to Cal umps and whoever else is relatively close, I assert. Now are there enough quality ones on that given weekend or are they at nats that same week somewhere. With 20 teams you do not need 40 great ones, only a third of that. Can probably get that.

I heard but may have it mixed up with something else but if so someone will correct the following. Fircracker showcase helps with plane tickets to the tune of 250 bucks. W

[wadeintothem]

He will use only so cal umps. They are a dime a dozen. There are thousands in so cal. Its a non issue IMO. He will call whoever his ASA guy is and just ask for umps and they will send them because there are guys who want to make some bucks and hes paying pretty well.

So cal tourney with so cal umps.

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

He will use only so cal umps. They are a dime a dozen. There are thousands in so cal. Its a non issue IMO. He will call whoever his ASA guy is and just ask for umps and they will send them because there are guys who want to make some bucks and hes paying pretty well.

So cal tourney with so cal umps.

This is interesting...

Gary Haning

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Wade,

I will not argue with you further about the tournament.

If you are going to make outlandish statements about the officials, your brethren, maybe you should look before you leap.

At this moment there are 24 men and woman committed to officiate our tournament. All 24 have NCAA DI post-season experience and they are from 11 states. I specifically stated a couple days ago that umpires are very important. Now of course you will say these umpires will not come as with teams.

I am hardly a Messiah, we have no interest nor intent to be the NGB for softball, you can rant and rave and obscure the real discussion by insulting me or the others who are working to make this a success but that probably won't get you your spot at Gold Nationals that you covet and it is just your opinion.


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ocbxball


Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 pm
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WOW (WADE) Chuck....open mouth...insert foot??

Will you ever have anything useful to offer again??

After all...it's only your reputation and credibility!!

I have heard only 5-6 SoCal Umps out of 32 overall.

They are NATIONAL....and QUALITY!!

[luvthegame]

I just found it interesting that a fellow "brethern" would cast such disparaging remarks on a fellow group of officials...especially a group reportedly this qualified...but that is just me...an (one) opinion!!

[azbigdawg]

Sweet mother of God...

Wade is a braying jackass....


but listen to him......he may actually be right

and Im smelling troll....


Mr. Troll..There is no "reportedly" to it..if you last long enough, you will know who some of these people are. Looks like you fell into your own trap about disparaging comments....

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

This is interesting...

Gary Haning

Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:38 pm
Posts: 24 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball
Wade,

I will not argue with you further about the tournament.

If you are going to make outlandish statements about the officials, your brethren, maybe you should look before you leap.

At this moment there are 24 men and woman committed to officiate our tournament. All 24 have NCAA DI post-season experience and they are from 11 states. I specifically stated a couple days ago that umpires are very important. Now of course you will say these umpires will not come as with teams.

I am hardly a Messiah, we have no interest nor intent to be the NGB for softball, you can rant and rave and obscure the real discussion by insulting me or the others who are working to make this a success but that probably won't get you your spot at Gold Nationals that you covet and it is just your opinion.


Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:09 am


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ocbxball


Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 pm
Posts: 6 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball

WOW (WADE) Chuck....open mouth...insert foot??

Will you ever have anything useful to offer again??

After all...it's only your reputation and credibility!!

I have heard only 5-6 SoCal Umps out of 32 overall.

They are NATIONAL....and QUALITY!!

Really?

Every since I saw forest gump shake hands with JFK, I just dont take everything I see at face value. I'm like Minnesota.... er.. Missouri.

I do find it humerous that you AND gary think calling so cal umps so cal umps is degrading.

I guess you belive that he is out running around getting umps assigned 11 months before the event. Thats what he is doing? Flying them in from 11 states.

You know, an umpire couldnt even list this thing on their resume, it means nothing. No one is jumping to do this. Its just a tourney.

Missouri.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Really?

Every since I saw forest gump shake hands with JFK, I just dont take everything I see at face value. I'm like Minnesota.... er.. Missouri.

I do find it humerous that you AND gary think calling so cal umps so cal umps is degrading.

I guess you belive that he is out running around getting umps assigned 11 months before the event. Thats what he is doing? Flying them in from 11 states.

You know, an umpire couldnt even list this thing on their resume, it means nothing. No one is jumping to do this. Its just a tourney.

Missouri.

It isn't impossible if he lined up someone at an NCAA Coordinator level to promise him 24 umpires with those credentials. He wouldn't know who, or where they are from, but I could name several people in his area that could make that promise. Could probably do it with the Fireworks umpire roster, as a matter of fact. But WN, DC-N, or SE in SoCal could do it, in addition to JV or DN (sorry for the initials, but these people may not want their name associated with this effort; I'm only saying they are well enough placed to make that type of umpire roster happen). There are probably others that I don't know (I'm assuming that the ASA staff would be conflicted out, but add DM, RA, MB, DB, and others).

[topper]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Really?

You know, an umpire couldnt even list this thing on their resume, it means nothing. No one is jumping to do this. Its just a tourney.

Missouri.

Who is "no one"? Have any idea who is working it? Probably some who have no need for a resume' or could'NT care less if the letters ASA appear on it.

Show me the roster, Missouri. Until then this statement means nothing.

Edited for those more perfect than me.

[DNTXUM P]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

This is interesting...


ocbxball


Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 pm
Posts: 6 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball

WOW (WADE) Chuck....open mouth...insert foot??

Will you ever have anything useful to offer again??

After all...it's only your reputation and credibility!!

I have heard only 5-6 SoCal Umps out of 32 overall.

They are NATIONAL....and QUALITY!!

Hey, Smoke. Can I come? I'll bring the fat tire and give you another ump from out of state

[bestviewofall]

While not knowing who you are, I can see your credentials are exceptional. If only I was the person making the decisions. Send the Ft Collins Finest anyways, please. it WILL NOT go to waste.

-Smokey