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To start, MLB umpires do not all know the rules as many, if not most softball umpires strive to. Each crew has at least one rules guru which is why you see them huddle most times when a rule interpretation is needed. You clearly claimed that the umpires judged the BR to be fast and awarded him 1B. No such thing happened. They ruled the ball fair and called the "fast" runner out at 1B. The difference in softball is that the umpire who made the initial call NEVER loses that call on the field short of a protest. In baseball, apparently the crew chief can make the ruling which is what seemed to happen here. All you have done is convince me you are full of $hit and have absolutely no interest in intelligent conversation. Say hi to the piano man! Last edited by IRISHMAFIA; Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 01:25pm. |
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Just review the last ~10 posts and youll see a number of ppl saying that umps cannot overturn another umps call. I asked if it was different in MLB than ASA, bc I know it happens in MLB, and I gave an example from a few weeks ago that showed a MLB umps having his called overturned. Do yourself a favor and actually read what I wrote and you'll see I merely respond to whatever ppl post towards me and sometimes post a replying question. When have I ever posted something factual incorrect about the rules of softball? |
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I'll piggyback onto this. This is not only true in baseball, but it will be true in football and basketball as well. Watch an NFL or college game this fall, and you'll see at times, they'll beckon someone from the back of the team (the 3 guys you see behind the defensive backfield) or the lineman opposite side into a huddle because that person may be an expert on the rule they need clarification on. My HS football crew does this all the time. We even do it in basketball when we work 3-whistle, and sometimes there's a crazy situation that needs discussing. It depends on the infraction or the situation at hand, there'll be someone on the crew who knows the rule better and is consulted before any penalty (if any) is handed down.
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Hey, you know I had that happen last tourney - Daddy baller coaching moaning and groaning whole game - girl's momentum carried the ball into DB territory, I was BU. PU doesnt give an award, says it must be intentional.. so I start to mosey up there to perhaps assist... and the coach points at me face "And that call in the first inning was terrible." (banger at 1st which was out)
So the now abbreviated conversation got side tracked into how much longer he was going to be participating if he didnt stop his BS.. and I plum forgot all about his goofed up award. ![]()
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![]() If he knew how to coach he could have just asked my partner to confer with me, but he was just a jerk blowing steam and it cost him. Guess he'd rather be a jerk than a coach advocating for his team.
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Oh, and furthermore... No.
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Now I'll piggypile on this guy. You described the play wrong, it was the DEFENSIVE coach who argued, and the BR was declared OUT. So you were WRONG at least on that point. But you made a point, what about conferences and changing a call? Well, if you followed the baseball guys thread about this, they were astonished this play occurred. A phrase that is starting to make the rounds is "ringing the bell." I would bet the $44 I would get for umpiring one of your games this is the only instance of this occurring. BTW, the plate umpire, who made the error, is 1) professional and 2) makes way more than $44 a game. We umpires do get together to get the call correct, on some plays, such as possession of the ball, pulled foot on force plays, tag/no tag, missed bases, etc. If your umpires aren't doing this, that is a local organizational issue. Remember, umpiring is customer service, and it is YOUR right to purchase any officials you want. Don't like what you get for $44 , then go with a different group. I'm sure the Boston area is crawling with groups who will do your league for less. |
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