INT on a DP?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Really? If there was no realistic opportunity for an out, there was no play that was being interfered with.

Agreed. If the defense has zero chance of making a play on another runner, by rule (and by common sense), there is no INT.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Maybe you need to realize that although it's annoying, recreational league games are usually where most umps get their start.

Maybe the first word in that phrase escapes you: "recreational."

You're not going to find all rec league umps at the same level. Some call Nationals, most don't. Give me a break, it's rec league.

While it should be the goal of every umpire to be perfect the first game and to improve every game thereafter, the reality is that we're all human. We make mistakes. We're NOT perfect.

Don't expect local rec league umpires to be any different.

I understand that SP softball will probably get the worse umpires but doesnt ASA require umps to pass a test and do a clinic to be certified??? Whats on the test???

And one league I play in, an "A" level mens league, takes itself (the league that is, not the players) way too seriously and employs 2 umps for the games when 1 is all thats necessary.

To give you another example, 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, fly ball to LC, runner on 3rd leaves really really early, runner on 2nd does not tag. The ball comes in to the infield, 3B appeals [to the PU] the runner at 3rd, the PU says its not my call, its the BU's call [which obv is not right], BU said I wasnt paying attention, safe, 3B argues to PU that not only is it his call, but regardless of whos call it actually is, did you see the runner leave early, and if so can you call him out, bc BU wasnt looking, PU says I cant overrule the BU bc it was his call. later the PU admitted he saw the runner leave early but didnt feel it was proper to overrule the BU, bc it was "his call"

basically about every other game there is a "major" misstake by the umps here that shouldnt happen, especially since the umps have to be certified. If they werent certified and we werent paying them $22/ump/team, it wouldnt be a big deal, bc you "pay for what you get"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

I understand that SP softball will probably get the worse umpires but doesnt ASA require umps to pass a test and do a clinic to be certified??? Whats on the test???

And one league I play in, an "A" level mens league, takes itself (the league that is, not the players) way too seriously and employs 2 umps for the games when 1 is all thats necessary.

To give you another example, 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, fly ball to LC, runner on 3rd leaves really really early, runner on 2nd does not tag. The ball comes in to the infield, 3B appeals [to the PU] the runner at 3rd, the PU says its not my call, its the BU's call [which obv is not right], BU said I wasnt paying attention, safe, 3B argues to PU that not only is it his call, but regardless of whos call it actually is, did you see the runner leave early, and if so can you call him out, bc BU wasnt looking, PU says I cant overrule the BU bc it was his call. later the PU admitted he saw the runner leave early but didnt feel it was proper to overrule the BU, bc it was "his call"

basically about every other game there is a "major" misstake by the umps here that shouldnt happen, especially since the umps have to be certified. If they werent certified and we werent paying them $22/ump/team, it wouldnt be a big deal, bc you "pay for what you get"

Ha! Absolutely classical!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Ha! Absolutely classical!

What? The whining? Or the absolute lack of knowledge when it comes to umpiring?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

I understand that SP softball will probably get the worse umpires but doesnt ASA require umps to pass a test and do a clinic to be certified??? Whats on the test???

Ahem... Speaking as an ASA SP-only umpire... Referring to SP umpires as being the "worst umpires" is, quite frankly, an insult (Oh, by the way... Nice grammar. It's "worst," not "worse," Bub.). I did not say SP umpires were a bunch of newbies. I said this is rec league play, and your expectations should follow accordingly.

Okay, fine, so you have umpires that screw up. Is it really the end of your world? I mean, really? C'mon. You get what, a t-shirt at the end of the year? And is one "major mistake" really going to ruin your night?

Get real, and rethink your priorities in life. You get zero sympathy from me, jack@ss.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

And one league I play in, an "A" level mens league, takes itself (the league that is, not the players) way too seriously and employs 2 umps for the games when 1 is all thats necessary.

This one's the best yet!

You complain about the umps missed this, the umps missed that, the umps are no good, and then say all you really need is one? At the A level?

That's a good one. Keep the jokes coming; I love them.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

At the A level?

That's a good one. Keep the jokes coming; I love them.

I don't think the A stands for the classification of play

[ronald]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Get real, and rethink your priorities in life. You get zero sympathy from me, jack@ss.

What happened Dave?

I'll see you in Salem, VA. Don't know if I will do any D games but will do E. Sent the contract a couple of days ago.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by ronald

What happened Dave?

I'll see you in Salem, VA. Don't know if I will do any D games but will do E. Sent the contract a couple of days ago.

Bah... No worries. Just found another wolf in Fechheimers.

Have you gotten your packet yet from the UIC?

[ronald]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Bah... No worries. Just found another wolf in Fechheimers.

Have you gotten your packet yet from the UIC?

No. I just sent in the contract. Called about the ISSA World Championship in Manassas VA (my back yard kind of) and he asked me if I was available labor day for the E. Said yes so emailed the contract on Tuesday or Wednesday. They must be short of umps cause we are not suppose to go to 2 Nationals in a year. No dropping dimes on me guys.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by ronald

No. I just sent in the contract. Called about the ISSA World Championship in Manassas VA (my back yard kind of) and he asked me if I was available labor day for the E. Said yes so emailed the contract on Tuesday or Wednesday. They must be short of umps cause we are not suppose to go to 2 Nationals in a year. No dropping dimes on me guys.

I think you may be right, as I sent my contract in back around April or May. Someone must have had something come up. Wasn't me, though. I'm going! Ankle's finally healing up (gee, only been 4 months...)!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

basically about every other game there is a "major" misstake by the umps here that shouldnt happen, especially since the umps have to be certified. If they werent certified and we werent paying them $22/ump/team, it wouldnt be a big deal, bc you "pay for what you get"

Misspellings and lack of proper punctuation aside, I would like to know how you know that the umpires make "major mistakes...about every other game." Are you expert in rules knowledge? Have you ever read a rule book, or seen one for that matter? Or, are you basing this knowledge of yours on hearsay testimony of other "experts" in the league, you know, those who will swear to you that for the purpose of rule application the hands are considered part of the bat and that the tie always goes to the runner?

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

What? The whining? Or the absolute lack of knowledge when it comes to umpiring?

So was I wrong when I said that in a 2 man crew the BU has 1st and 2nd and not 3rd base???

Or was I wrong in saying the PU can override the BU???

please enlighten me, some of us are on here bc they dont know everything, and want to learn.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Ahem... Speaking as an ASA SP-only umpire... Referring to SP umpires as being the "worst umpires" is, quite frankly, an insult (Oh, by the way... Nice grammar. It's "worst," not "worse," Bub.). I did not say SP umpires were a bunch of newbies. I said this is rec league play, and your expectations should follow accordingly.

Okay, fine, so you have umpires that screw up. Is it really the end of your world? I mean, really? C'mon. You get what, a t-shirt at the end of the year? And is one "major mistake" really going to ruin your night?

Get real, and rethink your priorities in life. You get zero sympathy from me, jack@ss.

First off jack@ss, YOU need to take a grammar lesson. When I used the word worse, I was comparing SP to FP, saying SP would have worse umpires than FP. Worst would be the proper form if I was saying co-ed E has the worst umpires among mens A, seniors, and co-ed. Usually I find it best that when you try to insult someone, it works better if you actually know what you are talking about (How to Use Worse and Worst - wikiHow)

And no, there is no t shirt or trophy or any prize for winning, my only complaint is that I was under the impression that ALL ASA UMPS have to not only pass a test, but attend rule clinics, and most of the umps in my games do not have a great understanding of the rules. AND each ump gets paid $44/game when they dont seem to be worthy of such salary.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

This one's the best yet!

You complain about the umps missed this, the umps missed that, the umps are no good, and then say all you really need is one? At the A level?

That's a good one. Keep the jokes coming; I love them.

Whats the point of paying 2 umps when neither one know the rules????

Would it be smart to have 12 umps at the games when all 12 rule every situation and call exactly the same??? Obviously the last 11 would be superfluous.