skull session

[reccer]

Dakota: No problem, I figured since we added those two pitcher lines it might fly.

Wade: I hated that drill. It was not real world realistic. I still see his home run that basically ended Lidge as a closer in Houston.

Like many of the SP players FP usually mock, he wants to play t-ball

Mike, just to be clear, spent 3 nites* a week playing on multiple SP teams and tourneys on the weekend before we had kids, it was the best time of my life. By contrast, hitting FP is just theory with me, never faced one that you couldn't plug in. "She" puts it in the same spot, same speed and I wear her out.

*that's how I spell it.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by reccer

"She" puts it in the same spot, same speed and I wear her out.

To quote The Office...

"That's what she said!"

[IRISHMAFIA]

A few years ago at the ASA National UIC Clinic they presented a study about that "outside" pitch.

I believed they used a 14-16 yo. Positioned in the center of the BB, she solidly hit the pitch approx. 6" outside the plate.

Have your DD stand in the middle of the BB. That should put her toes about 20 inches from the edge of the plate. Even if her wrists only reach the edge of the BB, there is still 10" of that 33" bat beyond the far edge of the plate. And that is if she is just standing there. She strides into the pitch, there should be no problem getting the sweet spot outside of the plate.

And those pitches are more hitable than the high and low corners which is why umpires pick it up, push it down and take it out.

[wadeintothem]

It common knowledge and theory that the outside is THE hittable spot.
That is why pitchers at all levels "brush em off" the plate. It is to get ownership of the outside. The rule of thumb is "the outside belongs to the pitcher". They cant allow the batter to own that.

This is basic info and nothing new to most of the people involved in sports involving a bat and ball.

Pitching 101 BASIC BASIC BASIC info.

[reccer]

Alright guys, I will run Mike's test on DD and report back.

Wade, I think Tom Glavine and Tim McCarver might disagree with you. Speaking of McCarver, here is a website for you:

Shut Up Tim McCarver!!!** Tim McCarver @ ShutUpTimMcCarver.com

[wadeintothem]

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Wade, I think Tom Glavine and Tim McCarver might disagree with you. Speaking of McCarver, here is a website for you:

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I rest my case...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by reccer

Alright guys, I will run Mike's test on DD and report back.

Wade, I think Tom Glavine and Tim McCarver might disagree with you. Speaking of McCarver, here is a website for you:

Shut Up Tim McCarver!!!** Tim McCarver @ ShutUpTimMcCarver.com

If this putz didn't happen to fall into the catching position for Steve Carlton, he never would have received the attention he did in the MLB. The only reason anyone paid attention to him then was because Carlton wouldn't talk and McCarver wasn't embarassed to place himself in front of the vacant microphone. And even then he talked out his *** making little to no sense.

[reccer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A few years ago at the ASA National UIC Clinic they presented a study about that "outside" pitch.

I believed they used a 14-16 yo. Positioned in the center of the BB, she solidly hit the pitch approx. 6" outside the plate.

Have your DD stand in the middle of the BB. That should put her toes about 20 inches from the edge of the plate. Even if her wrists only reach the edge of the BB, there is still 10" of that 33" bat beyond the far edge of the plate. And that is if she is just standing there. She strides into the pitch, there should be no problem getting the sweet spot outside of the plate.

And those pitches are more hitable than the high and low corners which is why umpires pick it up, push it down and take it out.

Results of static test in the kitchen, not at the ballpark:

16 year old 5' 2" female subject was positioned 20 inches from home plate. Her grip was not choked up. Using her regular swing with no stride ("sit and spin") careful NCASA-- this is my daughter her bat does not reach the far edge of the plate, let alone your strike zone edge. Further, even if she casts her arms straight out, the bat does not reach 10 inches beyond the plate.

Gonna be awhile before I can field test this. She is in one of those 16 year old moods.

I wonder how tall was the subject in the test. If you have a link to that study I would love to read it.

[Dakota]

She must have short arms or a short bat; or both.

Wrists at edge of batter's box means the wrists are 23 inches from the far edge of the plate.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by reccer

Results of static test in the kitchen, not at the ballpark:

16 year old 5' 2" female subject was positioned 20 inches from home plate. Her grip was not choked up. Using her regular swing with no stride ("sit and spin") careful NCASA-- this is my daughter her bat does not reach the far edge of the plate, let alone your strike zone edge. Further, even if she casts her arms straight out, the bat does not reach 10 inches beyond the plate.

Gonna be awhile before I can field test this. She is in one of those 16 year old moods.

I wonder how tall was the subject in the test. If you have a link to that study I would love to read it.

So, your daughter has no arms? If you place the bat at her toes, the end of it would be 4" from the outside edge of the plate. So, for the bat to not reach the outer edge of the plate, your daughter's arms must be less than 4" long. Hell, I'd be moody, too.

[reccer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So, your daughter has no arms? If you place the bat at her toes, the end of it would be 4" from the outside edge of the plate. So, for the bat to not reach the outer edge of the plate, your daughter's arms must be less than 4" long. Hell, I'd be moody, too.

I know its the wrong forum to be having an in depth hitting discussion, but, briefly, slam that back elbow down in to the slot and see where your hands are relative to your toes. I bet they are a whole lot closer than you thought they were. Granted, there has to be a slow down of hip rotation and some casting to reach that outside pitch, but DD's swing would be beyond absurd using Mike's 20 inches from one side of the plate to 10 inches on the other.

Do some google searches for "hitting casting problems" or go to my favorite batspeed.com for in depth hitting discussions.

I'll see about the youtube. Might be a fun summer project.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by reccer

I know its the wrong forum to be having an in depth hitting discussion, but, briefly, slam that back elbow down in to the slot and see where your hands are relative to your toes. I bet they are a whole lot closer than you thought they were. Granted, there has to be a slow down of hip rotation and some casting to reach that outside pitch, but DD's swing would be beyond absurd using Mike's 20 inches from one side of the plate to 10 inches on the other.

Do some google searches for "hitting casting problems" or go to my favorite batspeed.com for in depth hitting discussions.

I'll see about the youtube. Might be a fun summer project.

Yes, but in your studies and calculations, have you taken into account the fact that outs are good and hits are bad and time consuming?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by reccer

I know its the wrong forum to be having an in depth hitting discussion, but, briefly, slam that back elbow down in to the slot and see where your hands are relative to your toes. I bet they are a whole lot closer than you thought they were. Granted, there has to be a slow down of hip rotation and some casting to reach that outside pitch, but DD's swing would be beyond absurd using Mike's 20 inches from one side of the plate to 10 inches on the other.

Do some google searches for "hitting casting problems" or go to my favorite batspeed.com for in depth hitting discussions.

I'll see about the youtube. Might be a fun summer project.

You do realize that hitting an outside pitch requires a full extension of the arms? Not talking about a batting stance.

When you played SP, did you ever notice that when some hitters were fooled on a short pitch, they would step into their swing and hit a pitch that was going to hit in front of the plate for a solid line drive, often up the middle? That full extension is what put the power behind what many expect to be a weak hit.

But if your DD is going to stick with a tight, compact swing, you are partially correct. The ball is hitable, just not by your DD.

[Welpe]

Outside pitch? A good hitter will put it into the opposite field. A not so good hitter...well this is a competitive sport, is it not?

[reccer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

You do realize that hitting an outside pitch requires a full extension of the arms?

I do realize it if the outside pitch is 6 inches off the plate.

Until DD gets in a better mood, (or I buy her the car I promised if she led the city in something (she was second in SB's), these videos will have to do.

This video is a big Mike sized guy. Notice his back arm is not fully extended at point of contact. Wonder what he would say if I moved his T 6 inches further out?

YouTube - Hitting Outside Pitch #2

If you don't like scum of the earth baseball guys, here is one of my favorites (and your favorite announcer Listen for the words "don't cast out". Freeze the frame at point of contact. Look at the location of the back elbow.

YouTube - Jessica Mendoza Softball Training - HIT: Outside Pitch : Softball.com